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Old 02-11-2006, 12:03 AM   #1
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Thumbs up Drifting a bike

ok so i think its called sliding for motorcyles but eitherway i think if your bikes powerful enough and you can get good enough feedback from the bike while leaning to tell when your gonna lose traction, you might be able to get on the gas hard right after the apex and keep the bike from highsiding or falling while spinning the tire and shifting, i dont know thats making you lose time or giving you a better drive and position coming outta a turn. i know that if your backing a bike into the turns your doing alright, maybe if you get good enough to control slide it outta turns like that you'd be set. this videos probably a repost but near the middle theres a part where i think its carlos checa hauling through the apex thats what im talking about


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Old 02-11-2006, 12:07 AM   #2
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Old 02-11-2006, 12:10 AM   #3
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two things,

one, awesome video
two, repost... http://www.motohouston.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6917
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Old 02-11-2006, 12:18 AM   #4
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Yeah Carlos Checa, I dunno i swear he just opens up the throtle in mid corner and it just looks like he hit the the nitro button to give him that boost. LOL Out the whole vid when I see Checa doing that slide it just leaves me in total awe. I love Moto GP and i love motorcycles!... Blah, blah, blah, etc...
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Old 02-11-2006, 12:47 AM   #5
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Man - that was one awesome vid.
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Old 02-11-2006, 01:46 AM   #6
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I've read that the GP bikes have some pretty complex traction control systems that try to limit wheelies and losing any type of traction. I would guess that drifting on the track is mechanically speaking a waste of time and energy. As opposed to sliding laterally the bike should be moving forward and gaining momentum. But I don't race....so WTF do i know....
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Old 02-11-2006, 02:47 AM   #7
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i think it's called. "backing it in"
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Old 02-11-2006, 08:42 AM   #8
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I believe they do it to save just a fraction of asecond, actually.

Awsome vid...we want more....MORE!!!!!!!!!!
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I think he just got on the gas too hard. What advantage would spinning the tire have as he exits? You want maximum accelleration as you exit. Backing it in on entry is different and requires alot of skill and practice.
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I think he just got on the gas too hard. What advantage would spinning the tire have as he exits? You want maximum accelleration as you exit. Backing it in on entry is different and requires alot of skill and practice.
you need to watch faster...
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two, repost... http://www.motohouston.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6917
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you need to watch faster...
Seen it a few times. I understand that they do it to heat the surface of the tire rather than the whole carcass, but I don't see how this technique would decrease lap times. Maximum accelleration like maximum braking is achieved at the limit of your tires adhesion. Of course this is just my thinking, not based on any facts of course.

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Old 02-11-2006, 12:50 PM   #14
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By doing that they can square off the corner... essentially steering with the rear tire. It allows the bike to stay more vertical longer. With 250hp at your rear tire you need to be as straight up and down as possible to get the power down.

Most bikes have a very advanced traction control system now that limits it as excessive wheel spin does slow you down. Nicky had a big problem spinning the wheel hard out of lefts because of all of his dirt track background. I remember reading Rossi one state that he chooses to pass Nicky in left handers because Nicky created a slightly larger gap due to all the wheel spin.
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Old 02-11-2006, 01:08 PM   #15
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Alright, this guy jumps into the deepest part of the pool. You have picked one of the most debated topics in motorcycle racing and probably racing in general. I have to agree with the guy on the FZ1 up there... watch Faster. Second, you need to get yourself some big time exposure to the track and racing then maybe your opinions will become valid. You sound like you are very interested in bikes and want to haul . Most of us here have the same problem. It is great! Track Days, CMRA and TMGP will fuel your needs to begin with. If that is not enough there is always some flat track days that can be added in as well. I think your biggest problem will be finding somebody to fund all your desires. Like the majority of us but, where there is will... there is way.
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Old 02-11-2006, 10:21 PM   #16
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By doing that they can square off the corner... essentially steering with the rear tire. It allows the bike to stay more vertical longer. With 250hp at your rear tire you need to be as straight up and down as possible to get the power down.

Most bikes have a very advanced traction control system now that limits it as excessive wheel spin does slow you down. Nicky had a big problem spinning the wheel hard out of lefts because of all of his dirt track background. I remember reading Rossi one state that he chooses to pass Nicky in left handers because Nicky created a slightly larger gap due to all the wheel spin.
I understand how and why THEY do it, but for the sake of this discussion, I don't think our friend Ego's has access to a moto gp machine or any other bike with a computer to limit excessive wheel spin. Bah, this is a dumb thread, just do what Moody said Endo's. I'm done.
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I understand how and why THEY do it, but for the sake of this discussion, I don't think our friend Ego's has access to a moto gp machine or any other bike with a computer to limit excessive wheel spin. Bah, this is a dumb thread, just do what Moody said Endo's. I'm done.

haha. i understand what youre saying. its not like EGO is going to need to do that. our bikes are close to what theyre bikes are setup like. i mean if EGO makes it to motoGP congrats. but for teh time being, its a good debate convo, but not necessary for him....or prolly any of us. am i right?
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our bikes are close to what theyre bikes are setup like. i mean if EGO makes it to motoGP congrats.
Do you have any idea what Superbike or MotoGP bikes are like? The only similarities are the amount of wheels. :laughing6 MotoGP bike are around 300lbs and are pushing 250... most factory Superbikes are putting out over 200hp and are tipping the scales at 350lbs.

They are nothing like what we can purchase...
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thats one awesome video indeed! man how in the heck can those guys ride so fast carrying a set of bawls like that?
to carry those monsters on one wheel while making a serious "G" inducing turn and the tire contact patch is warped off to the side is truly like poetry in motion.
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I don't know if it's just me, but jumping into backing in the bike...aren't there other things you need to have mastered before you start trying to back in a bike? Looks good and all but if you start worrying about how to do it before you know how to do anything else, won't that be a bad combo?
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