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Old 03-31-2009, 09:32 PM   #41
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Changing filters more frequently than recommended can INCREASE wear compared to leaving them in longer.

Changing oil too soon can also increase wear. Oil filters over time will often remove larger particles that are in new oil.
I'd like to see some sort of evidence to substantiate those two claims.
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I'd like to see some sort of evidence to substantiate those two claims.
Tim Vipond know his $hit.

He's right, too much changing or too quickly, can harm your motor and your wasting the oil..

Heck if its fine, and clean - why change it?

I think MeKrew is just over reacting here about his supa sexy KTMs .

Just get with Patrick about a bundle deal for the KTM filters - then sell me half of those for the SMR 450s
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well i went from every track day to every other
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oh snap moe u got a tard ?

well i went from every track day to every other
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I think it was an API or SAE paper, but here is a link http://www.canadiandriver.com/forum/...?topic=60972.0 that has an insolubles vs miles graph with the best filtration at 6,000 miles, sites an SAE paper, and says this is why Honda car manuals say to change the oil filter every other oil change. I think this was also discussed on Bobistheoilguy.com. where it was stated "Honda, VW and Chrysler and another manufacture did a study.The study conclusively demonstrated that oil filters become more efficient the longer they are used (up to a point which was about 3X oil changes). I expect since the manufactures recommend changing the filter every other oil change that is is the best option for that engine. "

K&N air filters used to say their filtration improved as dirt loaded onto the filter and discouraged frequent cleaning.

From http://www.sae.org/technical/papers/821195 "After oil and filter changes, the wear particle generation rate and filter efficiency continually increased with cumulative engine time up to approximately 11 hours."

I had also read that new motor oil out of the often bottle has larger particles than after it runs through the engine and oil filter after a while.

From http://www.digitalcar.org/technical/papers/2007-01-4133 In one of our previous studies it was observed that engine oil samples collected from fleet vehicles after 12,000 mile drain interval showed 10-15% lower friction and more importantly, an order of magnitude lower wear rate than those of fresh oils. It was also observed that the composition of the tribochemical films formed was quite different on the surface tested with the drain oils from those formed with fresh oils. The objective of this investigation is to demonstrate how the friction and wear performance changed with oil drain intervals. A fleet of three vehicles was run in Las Vegas and oil samples were collected at various drain intervals from 3,000 miles to 15,000 miles. As in the previous study, the results showed that the aged engine oils provide lower friction and much improved wear protection capability. These improvements were observed as early as the 3,000 mile drain interval and continued to the 15,000 mile drain interval.

In many used oil analyses, it has been found that the wear metals per mile decrease over the life of the oil change. One study was done on Texas DPS cars using Amsoil. The wear per mile decreased over 20,000 miles and started increasing around 25,000 miles.

Don't argue with this dude...

He'll post a whole book!

Lets just say he puts more miles on his bike in a month then you (07slvcbr) or me do in a YEAR!
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While I don't understand why how many miles he, you, or I ride have to do with this conversation; I do understand the relevance of his post.

Good stuff, Tim. I'm glad to be educated.

Also thankful you didn't use all Amsoil (or equil) funded material. Thanks for that.
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