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Old 03-26-2009, 01:53 PM   #21
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I learn pretty good by following people.

Buck showed me the launch line, i just changed it some to fit my riding style.

Jason showed me a new line through the gut check in the last session last week that will shave 1/2 a second or so.

I cornerworked the diamonds edge once and watched alonzo and larry all day.
i swore that next time i was on the track there i wasnt going to hit the brakes off
the back straight until i saw . it worked.

And last but not least, this cool dood with this bad camera system got footage of me blowing the carousel exit lap after lap and that cool dood told me to fix my line there. i followed him there a couple laps and got much smoother there.... THANK YOU CURT.

anyhow. i think i learn best by watching/following.

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Curt looks like a monster on that 1k.
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Old 03-26-2009, 01:57 PM   #22
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Curt looks like a monster on that 1k.
while i agree with that, i disagree with your sig.

i go track, and back to stunt every week.
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while i agree with that, i disagree with your sig.

i go track, and back to stunt every week.
I see no problem with that.

I was specifically refferring to going out to places like Deal's Gap, and riding it like it's the track. Those days are over for me.........
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While Larry is in 1st gear in certain areas, and you are in 3rd in that same area...Wouldn't one think the risk of blowing something up be that much greater when screaming at 13k as opposed to 7 or 8k in 3rd gear? I would think riding over the launch in first gear must put EXTREME wear and tear on your machine. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just can't see ringing my bikes neck (although it may sound like we are ringing them to death already) to gain an extra second or two. I wanna be able to ride it next time, without massive bills in between trackdays.
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It simple, Brian. FEAR. The lower the gear, the greater the chance to either break the back tire loose or pick up the front end. As such, I consciously short shift and run in safe gears. I still won't use first, that's just nuts on my bike.

The other issue is my perception of when I should shift based on the sound. When I'm at 11 to 12K, it sounds like it's time to shift. I need to try shifting later and look at the data to see if it helps.
That's exactly it for me, Maxgs! It takes some serious for me to run hard in first gear. I've tried it but it was too much for me at this stage.

Alonzo was out there hauling and the bike was just screaming! You knew he was in first around all the major turns. It was very cool, for sure. I think that skill is a big step up for many riders.

Thanks for the interesting info!
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While Larry is in 1st gear in certain areas, and you are in 3rd in that same area...Wouldn't one think the risk of blowing something up be that much greater when screaming at 13k as opposed to 7 or 8k in 3rd gear? I would think riding over the launch in first gear must put EXTREME wear and tear on your machine. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just can't see ringing my bikes neck (although it may sound like we are ringing them to death already) to gain an extra second or two. I wanna be able to ride it next time, without massive bills in between trackdays.
I'd like to have the extra second or two. Provide, of course, that I can keep the bike underneath me. So for now, it's second gear. If I were to try first, it would be through the keyhole and into the bus stop.
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I'd like to have the extra second or two. Provide, of course, that I can keep the bike underneath me. So for now, it's second gear. If I were to try first, it would be through the keyhole and into the bus stop.
cool, just not THAT important to me....I'm sure I could figure out other ways to gain a second or two without pushing the motor to it's limit. I gotta keep this bike for a while, and replacing motors or trannies is not on my list of things to do.

Cool way to see how the pros manage to shave those extra 10 seconds or so from the "fast" trackday guys.
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cool, just not THAT important to me....I'm sure I could figure out other ways to gain a second or two without pushing the motor to it's limit. I gotta keep this bike for a while, and replacing motors or trannies is not on my list of things to do.

Cool way to see how the pros manage to shave those extra 10 seconds or so from the "fast" trackday guys.
I suspect that low 40's is the best I'll be able to do at my weight. The additional 100 to 150 lbs slows you everywhere. The tires simply can't hold the grip accelerating, braking, or in the turns. That said, I'd like to be able to do low 40's at will.

I worked out a while back that losing 4.8 lbs is the equivalent of gaining 1 hp on the bike. So at 150 lbs lighter, it's like these guys are riding a bike with 20% more horsepower. That also means at least 20% more braking capability and 20% more cornering grip.
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I suspect that low 40's is the best I'll be able to do at my weight. The additional 100 to 150 lbs slows you everywhere. The tires simply can't hold the grip accelerating, braking, or in the turns. That said, I'd like to be able to do low 40's at will.

I worked out a while back that losing 4.8 lbs is the equivalent of gaining 1 hp on the bike. So at 150 lbs lighter, it's like these guys are riding a bike with 20% more horsepower. That also means at least 20% more braking capability and 20% more cornering grip.
Sounds like we need to hit the gym, huh? knows I could use it.
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Sounds like we need to hit the gym, huh? knows I could use it.
I might be able to lose 50 lbs. At that weight, I'd still be 100 lbs heavier than many of the fast guys.
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7lbs = 1 HP
The math for my bike is a little different. Assuming rw horsepower of 155, bike wet weight at 430 and 745 with me on it in full gear, I get... 745/155 = 4.8 lbs per hp.
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Ba ha ha ha. I've eaten steaks bigger than you, Buck.
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Ba ha ha ha. I've eaten steaks bigger than you, Buck.
All that protein and an extra 400cc/50HP and you still can't keep up? Maybe smaller steaks is a good idea. No potato for you!!!! You gonna ride Sunday?
Back on topic............lose 7# worth of OEM off your bike is equal to 1HP. That is standard for any machine.
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[QUOTE=dbuck;1865484]Wouldn't one think the risk of blowing something up be that much greater when screaming at 13k as opposed to 7 or 8k in 3rd gear? I would think riding over the launch in first gear must put EXTREME wear and tear on your machine. [QUOTE]

i dont think thats hurting them,but rather just a tad more wear and tear.
both Tye and Larry mentioned the power is more linear on a lower gear than a taller gear where you start out of the power band and tap into it.on a lower gear you are most likely already in the power band,but need throttle control.i may be wrong on the subject but it works for me.
my 600 screams before it get another gear
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All that protein and an extra 400cc/50HP and you still can't keep up? Maybe smaller steaks is a good idea. No potato for you!!!! You gonna ride Sunday?
Back on topic............lose 7# worth of OEM off your bike is equal to 1HP. That is standard for any machine.
Yes, I'll be there Sunday.
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Curt,
just curious with all this data aquisition why you don't record suspension travel???
Is it that you already do but just don't show/post it??
sorry if this has been covered in another post somewhere.
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