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Old 02-07-2006, 10:13 AM   #21
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I think its about having more confidence in the new bike, bcos u would have probably put some good things on.. but then... bcos u r still not as comfy in the saddle, chances of messing up increase.

and Carlos, I ran off wide in turn 4 too...almost went till the turn 5 cornerworking shed! but managed to keep it up this time.

and thanks Leo, i guess one learns a bit seeing all the quick guyz around. u should have seen that old guy on that ducati corse. boy, was he quick!
also, I ride the bike a LOT, 9000 miles in 6 months....
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Old 02-07-2006, 12:22 PM   #22
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Yeah, that was a LSTD that hasn't had that many accidents in over 3 years.
Just be thankful your all in good health to fix the bikes and do it again.
It's great to have met some of you and if not I'll see you at the MSR-H on the 24th!!!

I was that slow in the RED/White/BLUE SYED suit the said SCHRECK on the back.....I'm sure some of you passed me in the A group.:confused2
After the accidents started to happen more often I rode in B and C..just to get more track time.. Alot of accidents in the B group, way to many riders riding over there ability.
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Old 02-07-2006, 12:27 PM   #23
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Yeah, that was a LSTD that hasn't had that many accidents in over 3 years.
Just be thankful your all in good health to fix the bikes and do it again.
It's great to have met some of you and if not I'll see you at the MSR-H on the 24th!!!

I was that slow on the RED/White/BLUE SYED suit the said SCHRECK on the back.....I'm sure some of you passed me in the A group.:confused2
There are a couple of speed demons that hang out on here. What kind of times did you post this outing? Did the track ever come in?
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Old 02-07-2006, 12:37 PM   #24
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i think it was the rizzla suzuki. it was light blue replica of something
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it seems like when someone does something kinda big to their bikes they wind up crashing afterwards, I'm kinda worried about going next time..
Henry, new bike= crashes this year
Carlos, new bike= crashes this year
Moody, new plastics= crashes last year.

and it always happens the first time out.
I dont know if i want to put those track skins on my R1 now... ?!?!?!?!?!

what to do

lol, there easier to fix compare to oem's :icon_bigg

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Yeah, that was a LSTD that hasn't had that many accidents in over 3 years.
Just be thankful your all in good health to fix the bikes and do it again.
It's great to have met some of you and if not I'll see you at the MSR-H on the 24th!!!

I was that slow in the RED/White/BLUE SYED suit the said SCHRECK on the back.....I'm sure some of you passed me in the A group.:confused2
After the accidents started to happen more often I rode in B and C..just to get more track time.. Alot of accidents in the B group, way to many riders riding over there ability.
I saw u out there. would have come up and said hi, but i was running for the class then. and yes B group had too many crashes. I moved to A in the last two sessions..apologies to those whom i held up :icon_bigg but i finally got to drag knee after getting some inspiration from the A riders!
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yes, it was Andy with the Rizla replica.
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I saw u out there. would have come up and said hi, but i was running for the class then. and yes B group had too many crashes. I moved to A in the last two sessions..apologies to those whom i held up :icon_bigg but i finally got to drag knee after getting some inspiration from the A riders!
Congrats. TWS (Texas World Speedway) is kind of weird. You really have to be cruizing to drag knee. Depending on your style of course too.
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UPDATE ON ANDY AND TIM

Andy is in solid shape and his condition is not as serious as we had originally feared. We went by the hospital after the event and visited both Andy and Tim. Andy actually made a joke about getting stuff back together for his bike!! Tim will need some TLC on his right shoulder for a while and has some sore ribs and waist area, but all in all, ok and has checked out! :notworthy

The track never REALLY seemed to come in and no matter how we preached...

- Take it easy
- It's the first track day of the year
- You have ALL DAY

... some folks just don't seem to get it. Even after our second Rider's Meeting. Yes... accidents are just that... accidents, and nobody WANTS to crash, but.................

We are glad that of the off-track-excursions that did occur, only Andy and Tim needed a trip to the hospital. Although the sun was uninterrupted for about half the day... cool temps, adrenaline and a FIERCE wind definitely played a part. We would like to thank everyone who came out to ride and we appreciate those who gave us positive feedback on us doing what we could to handle issues that arose.

LSTD Staff member Scott Dennis summed it up well with this...

- "A" group was fairly quick yesterday, but very well-behaved. From my observations, passing was reasonable. There were some off-track excursions, but as a whole, everyone was pretty well in control.
- "C" group was actually very slow, but that's to be expected considering the track conditions. I only observed one session, but didn't see anything too out of line.
- "B" group... ah, where to start??? I talked to at least a dozen folks about various levels of stupidity throughout the day, and actually pulled guys off the track at one point to have polite but firm 'attitude correction' conversations. I know several other instuctors had similar experiences to mine, but it was all we could do to stay somewhat on top of things. I'm hoping it was just an off day, but we will definitely take active measures to make sure we don't have similar concerns at future events.

Agreed.
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Congrats. TWS (Texas World Speedway) is kind of weird. You really have to be cruizing to drag knee. Depending on your style of course too.
i kinda agree. but 12 is such a quick turn and I was feeling pretty confident about it...so...
other than that ..maybe once in turn 5, but thats about it
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good to hear Andy and Tim r fine, Jeff. that stuff was kinda scary
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- "B" group... ah, where to start??? I talked to at least a dozen folks about various levels of stupidity throughout the day, and actually pulled guys off the track at one point to have polite but firm 'attitude correction' conversations. I know several other instuctors had similar experiences to mine, but it was all we could do to stay somewhat on top of things. I'm hoping it was just an off day, but we will definitely take active measures to make sure we don't have similar concerns at future events.

Agreed.
this is going to be a growing problem. w/ these i-net boards many more people are being encouraged to go do these trackdays to learn how to ride. which is great for their skill. the flip side is many of these newish riders somehow consider themselves to have the skills to be in B group w/o learning "the ropes" and very little conscious to the ramifications of their actions till it bites them or causes other off track to other riders.
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this is going to be a growing problem. w/ these i-net boards many more people are being encouraged to go do these trackdays to learn how to ride. which is great for their skill. the flip side is many of these newish riders somehow consider themselves to have the skills to be in B group w/o learning "the ropes" and very little conscious to the ramifications of their actions till it bites them or causes other off track to other riders.
For once, I agree totally Ed! Do what you wanna do, but your comments sound way better when they dont have that 'lemon and salt" edge to them
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this is going to be a growing problem.
In all candor, I really don't think that this will be the case and feel that yesterday was indeed one of those days where a combination of ego, colder track conditions and cabin fever for track time resulted in more crashes.

This particular track day did see a higher than normal percentage of new riders at TWS (Texas World Speedway), but there have been other events where the ratio of new-to-repeat riders was greater, equal to, or less than Monday's event and the results were vastly different. My point being, new riders do not necessarily mean more crashes and there really isn't any rhyme of reason to it... unfortunately.

You can only polish a rock so much, but we as an orgainization will continue to hammer home the issue of rider etiquette and safety to all of our customers... even if they're not robots and we can't keep them on remote control. :BangHead:
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perfect example............passing on the "parade" lap, ill prepared corner workers........over his head.
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perfect example............passing on the "parade" lap, ill prepared corner workers........over his head.
"Over his head"... ? I'm sorry, what are you referring to?

Rider's missing the point of the Round Robin and passing each other is RARE to say the least. Typically, the folks with the least amount of track time tend to pay attention the most because the track can be somewhat itimidating so they want to get it right, etc. Sometimes a rider misses the point.

For the most part, cornerworkers do their job and it is up to the PERSON to follow our guidelines and we make sure we address any questions, etc. Sometimes, in the instance of a crash, a CW'er can get excited and take a few seconds longer to actually call out the corner they are in and/or where a crash has taken place. On Monday this happened once during a particular crash. Again... this is few and far between.
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perfect example............passing on the "parade" lap, ill prepared corner workers........over his head.
hey ed, i read that kids post... and somehow i just don't get the idea that b/c he passed everybody in the round robin he got bumped up... doesn't add up...

i think that was a sarcastic remark made by somebody... and now it's being treated as fact... gotta looooove the internet... :BangHead:

anyhoo... one guy ran wide between t6 and t7... the cornerwork (in his excitement) called out that there was a 'wreck on the straight'... not immediately realizing that there are two large straights @ TWS (Texas World Speedway)... immediately jerrel (track control) had the cornerworker calm down and verify his position and the ambulance was dispatched to his location... end of story... sometimes cornerworkers get in such a hurry to communicate that they've got a crash situation - they leave out the most important communication...

all this 'passed in the round robin got bumped up' bs aside... i will say that even though we had many redflags in 'b' - the 'c' group went crash free all day long...

but despite macman holding TWO riders meetings to focus on safety - some folks in the 'b' and 'a' still wrecked... sigh... it's always like this around the first of the year... i just hope oakhill isn't equally as cold/windy... :eh:

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sometimes cornerworkers get in such a hurry to communicate that they've got a crash situation - they leave out the most important communication...

Yeap its not something you can teach,...... I still remember my first times out as a EMT and almost losing my calm.... now in situations I am so calm you would have to take my pulse to see if I am alive......

But all in all the more experience someone gets with situations and Radios the better they will get and the flow of information will be right on the money.
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