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Old 03-13-2009, 10:44 PM   #21
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I think you meant doesn't so I fixed it. But those two lines totally conflict with each other.
I don't think the statements conflict. Passing is dynamic. Until the faster rider is even with the rider being passed the slower rider does not know he is being passed. When the faster rider gets in front and can longer see the slower rider, he has a tendency to move in on the slower rider and bring his rear wheel into contact with the other rider's front wheel. This particularly happens at MSRH in the Keyhole when the faster rider is on the concrete, the slower rider on the inside. The faster rider wants to move right and get on the asphalt so he can make the left turn towards the Bus Stop. If he moves right too soon, he may bump the slower rider. Then the slower rider may need to adjust his speed or line slightly to give more room.
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Old 03-14-2009, 12:01 AM   #22
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Old 03-14-2009, 12:12 AM   #23
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Here is a video of all my passes, and places I was passed in the advanced group at 1:30 PM on 3/7 with RideSmart. This is a different video from the other two I posted.

You can see me slowing down to set up each pass. I'll typically follow a rider through a turn and begin to set them up for a pass at the apex. If they are going wide out of the turn, I might position the bike to pass towards the inside as we get to the straight. If they are running tight, I'll position to pass towards the outside. I attempt passed going into a turn only when I can easily get by the rider and give us both a chance to be set properly for the turn. You'll see an example right in the beginning of the video where I'm quite a bit faster than a rider going into turn one. Instead of pushing it, I slowed and dropped in behind the rider then waited to pass them at the next straight.

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Old 03-14-2009, 12:26 AM   #25
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i think the person making the pass takes the full responsibility to make a safe pass. There for the slower rider has the right of way.
Now, there may always be dispute over who had the bad line, who didn't see who first...who made the wrong move to cause the wreck etc...just know that NO BODY sees you before you are making the pass, so you make sure for yourself that it is safe.
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Faster riders will get around you. I wish people would pass like this in races it sux being stuffed or leaning on the other persons bike because they went underneith you.
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Regardless of group, it is the passing rider's responsibility to pass safely.

With no mirrors, no looking back and ear plugs in, the rider being passed does even know a pass is about to happen until the other rider is next to him.
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That said, the rider being passed may need to adjust his line slightly or his speed to help insure a safe pass. I'm not an expert at passing but I am an expert in being passed.
The rider being passed needs to do nothing. He holds the line he has been taking because for all you know the guy behind you has been there for a few laps to make sure he knew what your line was so he could get around you safely. Changing line to allow someone by is not neccesary if the person can not get around you without you having to adjust then that is what we use hot pit for. Pit out wait a minute and then get back on the track.
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Seeing as how all but one of my trackdays has been on a ninja 250r I have A LOT of experience being passed. Here's the way I see things ... I have the right to the road in front of me ... I ride my own line and those behind me are responsible to get around me safely ... that said ... it's my responsibility to hold my line and ride as predictable as possible, it's not a race so there's no point to "protect" my position other than to hold my line.
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The rider being passed needs to do nothing. He holds the line he has been taking because for all you know the guy behind you has been there for a few laps to make sure he knew what your line was so he could get around you safely. Changing line to allow someone by is not neccesary if the person can not get around you without you having to adjust then that is what we use hot pit for. Pit out wait a minute and then get back on the track.
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dont know if it was brought up yet... but if you are riding TTD then ...

novice is no passing without an instructors lead.

intermediate is a 5' rule. if you cant pass them staying 5' away then dont pass at all.

advance is like race practice. better bring your .


LMS is pretty much like one big advance sessions... bring your .

this is why i ride advanced with TTD. I did get kicked out of intermediate for passing to close at GSS when I rode a session of intermediate with Dbuck.



(this is to the best of my knowledge and may have changed in the last few months)
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Old 03-14-2009, 09:12 PM   #31
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dont know if it was brought up yet... but if you are riding TTD then ...

novice is no passing without an instructors lead.

intermediate is a 5' rule. if you cant pass them staying 5' away then dont pass at all.

advance is like race practice. better bring your .


LMS is pretty much like one big advance sessions... bring your .

this is why i ride advanced with TTD. I did get kicked out of intermediate for passing to close at GSS when I rode a session of intermediate with Dbuck.



(this is to the best of my knowledge and may have changed in the last few months)
Is that correct for TTD novice? No passing unless led by an instructor? I didn't know that.

What, DBuck whining for a close pass? Ba ha ha ha ha.
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Pretty sure in the morning no passing. In the afternoon, only passing in the straights with a 6' clearance. Don't quote me on that.
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Pretty sure in the morning no passing. In the afternoon, only passing in the straights with a 6' clearance. Don't quote me on that.
That's different from what Clayton said. Of course, we are talking about Clayton...

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Old 03-14-2009, 09:25 PM   #34
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That's different from what Clayton said. Of course, we are talking about Clayton...

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Is that correct for TTD novice? No passing unless led by an instructor?
in the morning yes, after lunch it is no passing in turns and a 6 ft passing rule.
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dont know if it was brought up yet... but if you are riding TTD then ...

novice is no passing without an instructors lead.

intermediate is a 5' rule. if you cant pass them staying 5' away then dont pass at all.

advance is like race practice. better bring your .


LMS is pretty much like one big advance sessions... bring your .

this is why i ride advanced with TTD. I did get kicked out of intermediate for passing to close at GSS when I rode a session of intermediate with Dbuck.



(this is to the best of my knowledge and may have changed in the last few months)
yes that's pretty acurate, but its 6 ft.
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Pretty sure in the morning no passing. In the afternoon, only passing in the straights with a 6' clearance. Don't quote me on that.
I will quote you .... because you are right!
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Old 03-14-2009, 10:15 PM   #38
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Is that correct for TTD novice? No passing unless led by an instructor? I didn't know that.

What, DBuck whining for a close pass? Ba ha ha ha ha.
Pass wasn't on me sucka....no room for passing at GSS anyhow.....tracks too small

Heck, my passes have gotten fairly closer since moving to advanced this past season....as I build confidence. What I do whine about is people who wear earphones while riding the track. Rocket science, I know.....

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