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Old 03-12-2009, 05:30 PM   #1
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Trackday Orgs *sight rant*

I think it should be mentioned that ALL of the trackday organizations we have local to us (and thank we have them... makes for lots of selection) are a business.

Assuming these guys/gals are using poor business tactics is rather stupid. These people want to make money. The way they make money is to get more people involved in their venture.

If you (informal, not directed an anyone particular) don't have a good time (I figure we all think crashing is not a good time), then your not very likely to return to their business. If you don't return or you defame their business, then it looks bad on them and they lose business.

In my opinion, we as trackday riders should have the decency to respect the organizations and the other riders. Without those two things, we will lose fellow riders and lose the ability to choose which org we ride with. We will also lose out on the opportunity to ride almost every weekend of the season.

Good luck this season guys and gals. I look forward to meeting many more of you all, and continuing the relationships I started last year.
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Bravo!! I concur fully!
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couldnt of said it better myself......
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so short version is; if you don't like the way business is done, don't give them any more money. is that accurate?
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In my opinion, we as trackday riders should have the decency to respect the organizations and the other riders. Without those two things, we will lose fellow riders and lose the ability to choose which org we ride with. We will also lose out on the opportunity to ride almost every weekend of the season.
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And you forgot to add that fewer organizatons = less competition = higher prices.

Having said that, feedback is a good thing and any busniess worthwhile values it.

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But also if you have no idea on what the heck you are doing tell someone. It is better to let them know and they can help you better yourself, than to look like a fool and cause someone to get hurt because you want to look like a bad .
I think this is a key point here. Almost every thread I've ever read of someone complaining about an org is written by someone that never asked for help or direction.
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I just think that sometimes trackday organizers are too nice in letting people move up or stay down in groups. For the safety of others it's very important that people are placed properly and that ultimatly is the responsibility of the instructors.

Some riders may be reluctant to admit inexperience, over estimate their abilities or want to boost their egos at the expense of those around them ... I think instructors know pretty quickly where people belong and should be willing to say so and we riders should heed their instructions without question.
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so short version is; if you don't like the way business is done, don't give them any more money. is that accurate?
No. The short version is this. Do yourself a favor (along with everyone else around you) and have some respect.

In regards to the money deal: If the orgs intentions are to NOT police the riders, then they'll lose riders and potentially lose money. That is poor business practice.
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+1 i look forward to meeting you sometime this year at the track.
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If you (informal, not directed an anyone particular) don't have a good time (I figure we all think crashing is not a good time), then your not very likely to return to their business.
Most folks who do crash see it as a learning experience. 99.9 % of all crashes that I attend to, the rider will tell me exactly what they did wrong within minutes of going down, without me asking.

Most all of them return to the track ASAP to get it right for the next time.

But you're correct. Crashing does suck.

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another thing is,participants should be aware that all these orgs have the right to bump you up or down as they see fit.i feel bad for them in regards to this BC its a catch 20 preposition.sometimes playing nice will cost you more than just being firm and maybe loosing 1 customer......
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I just think that sometimes trackday organizers are too nice in letting people move up or stay down in groups. For the safety of others it's very important that people are placed properly and that ultimatly is the responsibility of the instructors.

Some riders may be reluctant to admit inexperience, over estimate their abilities or want to boost their egos at the expense of those around them ... I think instructors know pretty quickly where people belong and should be willing to say so and we riders should heed their instructions without question.
I agree with most of what you said , but I disagree with the part about placing people properly being the responsibility of the instructors.
The ultimate responsibility is on the riders individually. During rider meetings and class sessions it should be (and is often) stressed that riders should ask questions and ask to be moved up/down according to their ability.
Maybe it should always be policy that an instructor has to follow a rider for a few, before they can move up.

I would bet, most new track riders do not come alone but are joining up with some one that has done it before.
We should help our friends, that want to come play with us, understand that if I am an intermediate they will be in novice until they get some "on track" experience. That there is no shame in being the new guy.
The first time you walk into a gym to lift weights there will be some HUGE dudes there and you feel tiny. Everyone knows that you are new, but they also know that if you apply yourself, you could be bigger than they are. So, they don't look and laugh because you are slow when you first come to the track, they laugh when you act like you are Vale and you ride like... well me.
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I agree with you rumblebumble.

I highly recommend to all my new-to-the-track friends that they start novice. If they get bored after 3rd session, then they can discuss bumps with the instructors. I also try to push the fact that it is their responsibility to be seen by the instructors and ask for their advice/input.

Humility is not an easy trait to display at a trackday.
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