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Old 03-12-2009, 05:46 PM   #61
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+1 I think the "mandatory" rider meetings should actually be "mandatory"
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can't stress enough this was the second session. first session consisted of the round robin where instructors took them around the track showing the lines.
Ahhh... did not notice that ...
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Old 03-12-2009, 08:23 PM   #63
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It was my first trip down to check out the action. I have not done any track days. I saw what went down and watched the Helo-Evack out of the the track. Not sure if I want to try a first time here. Looked like to much fun tho, untill the Helicoper ride out. Just my 2-cents.
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Old 03-12-2009, 08:27 PM   #64
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glad to hear your ok for sure!

but wasn't this done in the novice group???

group 2 is novice correct me if im wrong???
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Old 03-12-2009, 08:34 PM   #65
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glad to hear your ok for sure!

but wasn't this done in the novice group???

group 2 is novice correct me if im wrong???
2 is intermediate. 1 is novice.
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Old 03-12-2009, 08:51 PM   #66
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ohhhhh, i never knew that, thanks for the info thomassssssss
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Old 03-12-2009, 09:04 PM   #67
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whenever i wanted to move up to intermediate with TTD i just had an instructor follow me a few laps to make sure i knew the line and was fast enough. i would request the same if i was riding with ridesmart. i think if Ride Smart kept track of who rode with them maybe this might not have been a problem. if someone wants to start off fresh with a new organization they should be under the watchful eye of an instuctor atleast for the beginning portion of the day.
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Old 03-12-2009, 09:06 PM   #68
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can't stress enough this was the second session. first session consisted of the round robin where instructors took them around the track showing the lines.

second session was there first time to get out there and ride. Can't blame instructors and control riders for something that happened so early. corner workers too did not have much of a chance imo.

the only people at fault are the ones who were passing on the inside, the ones who did not make a safe pass, the ones who broke the rules. end of story
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i noticed in the ones i've seen. i personally like the one where i cut you off or atleast it looked that way
i still like the dancing one, but back to topic!!! you mod
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Somebody tell me why this wouldn't have happened in level 1 or even 4? A guy riding over his head and not attending the classroom, charges so irresponsibly into a turn that he basically t bones someone in the second session. That individual should have been black flagged and taken off the track for at least one session then watched carefully and sent home if he couldn't control himself. I imagine this (or something like it) would have happened had he not taken someone out so early in the day (nobody saw it coming). Anyway back to my question, In what level would this douche-bag bag not have crashed into someone?
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This sounds like a problem of someone not following the rules and this can happen in any level and I have seen it in different track day orgs. All it takes is one person to make a bonehead move.

Sorry to hear you got banged up.
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+1 I think the "mandatory" rider meetings should actually be "mandatory"

Thats harder to do for Ride Smart than it is for any other organziation. Getting people to come to the riders meeting is like herding cats, and Ride Smart has the most cats to herd.
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Hope you have a speedy recovery, and better luck when you decide to go back out on the track
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Thats harder to do for Ride Smart than it is for any other organziation. Getting people to come to the riders meeting is like herding cats, and Ride Smart has the most cats to herd.

Adopt the UK system.
Rider briefing is mandatory,
at the end of the briefing you collect a wristband (different colour for each event),
as you line up to go out onto the track a steward/marshall checks you have a wristband.
No wristband = no ride, simple
these checks occur throughout the day.
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Old 03-13-2009, 09:41 AM   #76
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Adopt the UK system.
Rider briefing is mandatory,
at the end of the briefing you collect a wristband (different colour for each event),
as you line up to go out onto the track a steward/marshall checks you have a wristband.
No wristband = no ride, simple
these checks occur throughout the day.
They do that here, you sign the waiver and get the wristband so if case like this happens, you have no one else to blame but yourself. Knowing that this is a dangerous hobby/sport and you take part of it. Rider's meeting is mandatory and even level4/racers guys attend it. It's just a reinforce reminder that this is a trackday not a race day. Things like this happens because it's the nature of the game. It may have been avoided but make mistakes and happens.
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They do that here, you sign the waiver and get the wristband so if case like this happens, you have no one else to blame but yourself. Knowing that this is a dangerous hobby/sport and you take part of it. Rider's meeting is mandatory and even level4/racers guys attend it. It's just a reinforce reminder that this is a trackday not a race day. Things like this happens because it's the nature of the game. It may have been avoided but make mistakes and happens.
Larry Meyers was telling me that it was like a 10K fine to miss the riders meeting at Daytona. That would get your attention.
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They do that here, you sign the waiver and get the wristband so if case like this happens, you have no one else to blame but yourself. Knowing that this is a dangerous hobby/sport and you take part of it. Rider's meeting is mandatory and even level4/racers guys attend it. It's just a reinforce reminder that this is a trackday not a race day. Things like this happens because it's the nature of the game. It may have been avoided but make mistakes and happens.
I was referring purely to the attendance or lack of it at "mandatory" rider briefings, nothing else .
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that is a very good idea but i could easily see someone just taking off the band and not going to the meeting. noobs are the concern though and they wouldn't knwo about that little trick.

i say it should be tried then force them to sit in a meeting while their session is going on. they missed it and it was their fault. it might make some people mad and turn them off but ummm safety should come first. that is always stressed so why not truly enforce some rules and stick to them =). my .02

not sure I follow you,
this particular wristband or marker I'm referring to is given out at the end of the briefing, at the briefing!!
If you don't attend you don't get one so you won't be allowed onto the circuit.
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As a RideSmart staff member I can asure you we are watching this thread and appreciate the constructive feedback/suggestions, etc. I live in Austin (as does Ciaka) and we meet w/ Dave on a regular basis, usually once a week during the track season. We have already had discussions w/ him this week about some things we will be doing to address this.

Again, these suggestions are appreciated and being acted on.

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