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Old 03-12-2009, 02:16 PM   #1
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As you probably all know by now, I'm the guy that clown (my language has relaxed somewhat since Saturday) t-boned at MSRH Sat 07 Mar, in Paul's round robin group.

Now this person (I don't know who, riding experience, nore any word of appology) clearly was not in control of what he was doing, target fixation was all he had going. I was almost on the apex of the turn, on the racing line, looking through the turn when my peripheral vision saw a bike coming directly at me with great relative speed, knocking me to the outside of the turn. Said rider continuedon as if this is normal track behavior (I think in public this would be hit and run), not so much as a look back (with respect to the RideSmart 'no stopping' rule of course).
The rest, with the ambo etc was there for all to see.

Which brings me to my point.

This rider should not have been in the Intermediate class as he clearly did not know the racing line or passing rules. Ridesmart should consider starting everyone in the novice class (I think from our initial riders meeting, only about 1/3 of our group had ridden this track), at least to teach them at the slower (and yes, boring) pace so that the racing line is not someting that has to be remembered at speed, released to the next level when proven they know whats going on.

Let's keep in mind, anyone of you reading this could have been laid up in hospital, broken up by this irresponsibility.

Now this should only cost me leathers and boots. Fortunately, I have an understanding boss who has the big picture of what we are doing in mind. and a company that will support me. Thinking further, if news of my stay in hospital leaked to my parents, it could very well kill my mother, as she has a very weak heart.

All as a result of the thoughtless actions of someone trying to 'win' a track day in the second session of the day....

I have'nt ridden a RideSmart event since 2005, since then have listened to the stories that RideSmart attracts idiots and has a higher crash tally than other operators. It would not be prudent to comment on this, but you get my point.

I must thank the first aid medics, RideSmart staff, Life Flight, hospital staff, friends and SBM members who visited me in hospital.
Now I'm home and working on the recovery. Fortunately the bike stayed upright, so it's ready to go.

I hope some good will come of this, and that everyone can continue riding bikes safely and gaining enormous amounts of fun.
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Old 03-12-2009, 02:20 PM   #2
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Ridesmart should consider starting everyone in the novice class (I think from our initial riders meeting, only about 1/3 of our group had ridden this track), at least to teach them at the slower (and yes, boring) pace so that the racing line is not someting that has to be remembered at speed, released to the next level when proven they know whats going on.
i think all track orgs should abide by this.

as for your mom's, sounds like you need to man up and give her the scoop.
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Old 03-12-2009, 02:20 PM   #3
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Sorry to hear this bro. I have a titanium rod in my right femur. You will be up in no time, PM if you need help.
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sounds like someone in the group wasn't "riding very smart" IMO. Sorry to hear about your situation.
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Old 03-12-2009, 02:29 PM   #5
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I've riden three events with ridesmart and never had a problem, that's not to say there aren't probelms, but Ride Smart as with the other track day orgs typically allow people to choose their own ride group and move them up or down as needed after a few sessions (this is done with the aid of the corner workers). I know Dave hold rider safety very high on his list, as do the instructors.

I'm sorry that some tool, was riding above his level and trying to hard, and I hope you have a speady recovery.
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glad you are relatively ok.

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Old 03-12-2009, 02:30 PM   #7
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i think all track orgs should abide by this.

as for your mom's, sounds like you need to man up and give her the scoop.
what business of yours is it whether he tells his mom or not?
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Old 03-12-2009, 02:30 PM   #8
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Can we try to not turn this into a contest about various orgs and just thank the man for his post?

TY sir.
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Can we try to not turn this into a contest about various orgs and just thank the man for his post?

TY sir.
+1,

we ALL now that some riders/tools lie about skill level just because their homie is in a different level. I am not saying this was the case, but my point is, for Track Organizations it is hard to tell if you are new UNTIL a few laps, sometimes you can catch them fast sometimes it takes longer.
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Old 03-12-2009, 02:35 PM   #10
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sorry to hear what happens. As you are aware in this hobby, it is hard to enforced or control what the others are doing. There has been incidents after incidents because the patrons are riding over their head. It is not tolerated at any organization for this type of riding, and many have been dealt with. Hopefully there will be a way to implement a solutions to this problem. In the meantime, have a speedy recovery.

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what business of yours is it whether he tells his mom or not?
so dude claims mom might stroke out cuz of bike wreck caused by careless rider

well what if he crashed by himself.......is mom still gonna stroke out? prolly according to him.

so he needs to man up and tell his mom what he's doing and go from there.

it's called being a man and doing whats right vs cowardice and avoiding the sit.

try it some time.
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... edit button.

Now i am sure ALL track days org. look after safety, some more efficient than others but still they try to act when situations like this arise. This is a good input and I am sure all Track Org. personal that navigate this board will learn from it.
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Old 03-12-2009, 02:40 PM   #13
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Glad you're not worse off. something like that could have turned VERY messy quick.

The first time I rode with Ride Smart I was told that despite my previous track experience (former WERA racer and multiple track days in the past) I should start in group1 since they weren't familiar with me. I guess that rule may have been overlooked in this case. But its the riders responsibility to admit they're a first timer. I know there was atleast one other 1st timer in group2 that was fast sure... but needs work.


I wish your unfortunate incident hadn't occurred. Yo'ure cool as ... even offered to let me borrow part of your shifter until you found out we were in the same group.

Wishing you a speedy recovery. And I promise not to tell your mom
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I was genuinely saddened to hear of your incident. Myself, along with many others, I am sure, prayed for your speedy recovery.

It is irresponsible when an individual rides over thier head in any level, it is even more tragic when, in the process of this, they injure another.

As mentioned before, being it was the 2nd session, I doubt the culprit had even been evaluated yet, considering the 1st session is a 40ish MPH round robin.

I believe that all organizations rely on the participants, as well as instructors/control riders AND corner workers to help identify careless riders. Having said that, in no way am I attempting to deflect from your post.

Heal up quick buddy and hope to see you at the track soon enough.

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Glad you're not worse off. something like that could have turned VERY messy quick.

The first time I rode with Ride Smart I was told that despite my previous track experience (former WERA racer and multiple track days in the past) I should start in group1 since they weren't familiar with me. I guess that rule may have been overlooked in this case. But its the riders responsibility to admit they're a first timer. I know there was atleast one other 1st timer in group2 that was fast sure... but needs work.


I wish your unfortunate incident hadn't occurred. Yo'ure cool as ... even offered to let me borrow part of your shifter until you found out we were in the same group.

Wishing you a speedy recovery. And I promise not to tell your mom
so trackday orgs don't keep a record of who has ridden with them?
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so trackday orgs don't keep a record of who has ridden with them?
Might have on computers but not on the print out.
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Can we try to not turn this into a contest about various orgs and just thank the man for his post?

TY sir.
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THIS IS IN NO WAY A DIRECT AFFRONT TO ANY RIDESMART TEAM MEMBER


As you probably all know by now, I'm the guy that clown (my language has relaxed somewhat since Saturday) t-boned at MSRH Sat 07 Mar, in Paul's round robin group.

Now this person (I don't know who, riding experience, nore any word of appology) clearly was not in control of what he was doing, target fixation was all he had going. I was almost on the apex of the turn, on the racing line, looking through the turn when my peripheral vision saw a bike coming directly at me with great relative speed, knocking me to the outside of the turn. Said rider continuedon as if this is normal track behavior (I think in public this would be hit and run), not so much as a look back (with respect to the RideSmart 'no stopping' rule of course).
The rest, with the ambo etc was there for all to see.

Which brings me to my point.

This rider should not have been in the Intermediate class as he clearly did not know the racing line or passing rules. Ridesmart should consider starting everyone in the novice class (I think from our initial riders meeting, only about 1/3 of our group had ridden this track), at least to teach them at the slower (and yes, boring) pace so that the racing line is not someting that has to be remembered at speed, released to the next level when proven they know whats going on.

Let's keep in mind, anyone of you reading this could have been laid up in hospital, broken up by this irresponsibility.
There are actually a few problems with what you suggest. I'll post them......others can agree or disagree.


1. Policing who has and hasn't ridden the track to determine who needs to be in the novice group.

2. Pace. I've never ridden with Ride Smart. If they were to activate a rule like you're suggesting I'd be stuck in the novice group. My pace (and others WAY faster than me) would scare the bejesus out of much slower riders possibly causing more wrecks than it prevents.

3. The round robin groups are fairly paced anyway. Its entirely likely that if he hadn't tagged you in intermediate he might have done the same to someone else in Novice.
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so dude claims mom might stroke out cuz of bike wreck caused by careless rider

well what if he crashed by himself.......is mom still gonna stroke out? prolly according to him.

so he needs to man up and tell his mom what he's doing and go from there.

it's called being a man and doing whats right vs cowardice and avoiding the sit.

try it some time.

Lol.. I donít think the op is a coward for not telling his mom his business. Unlike you, he sounds like an adult who doesnít need to phone his mommy every time he his pants.
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