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Old 03-10-2009, 10:10 PM   #1
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Nitrogen Enriched Gasoline - hype or ?

so what is the real story on this Nitrogen Enriched Gasoline?

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...02/452191.html
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boycott shell and their non motorcycle friendly pumps!!!
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you have to push and hold the pump like all the way in before you can begin fueling
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you have to push and hold the pump like all the way in before you can begin fueling
It's like that to keep the fumes from escaping, emission. Other gas companies does have it too, it's required for new pumps. Next time, use your other hand to pull up the sleeve and pump.
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i just use chevron they have the same additives in all their grades of fuel that shell has only in their v-power and its a few cents cheaper at times.
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i just use chevron they have the same additives in all their grades of fuel that shell has only in their v-power and its a few cents cheaper at times.
I only run premium in the bike anyway.
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i just use chevron they have the same additives in all their grades of fuel that shell has only in their v-power and its a few cents cheaper at times.
Can you tell me where you get this bunk information. Shell has the same additives in every level of gas, just like Chevron. The only difference is the higher octance level, the higer the concentration of additives.

I work for Shell and walk by the emissions lab hundreds of times per week. Every brand of gasoline is tested in there and Shell's gas outperforms every other brand, hands down.

I will say Chevron is a good choice and my only alternative, if I'm not near a Shell station.

Back to the point of the thread. Is N2 enriched gas hype? Yes and no. It serves a purpose for helping reduce thermal breakdown and keep fuel injectors cleaner. However, after millions of miles of testing our labs can't really show a SIGINIFICANT negative impact on gunky fuel injectors. You'll see a slight MPG and HP loss but overall the impact is small.
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I had to boycot Shell after they sold me some gas with water in it.

I requested my money back ($20 and the owner said no).

I called corporate office, they said NO.

So, I took them to small claims court, they had an attourny, and their only witness (the maintents guy) who claimed to be an expert could not tell me what would happen if I put gas and water in a glass.

Jury awarded me 8hundred something, the cost of replacing a fuel pump.

It was the University Shell, next to UofH on the other side of 45.
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hmm the lubrizol corperation thanks Shell and Chevron and Valero for their patronage and business, folks its all in what the petro companies buy in the additive package, basically from regular to premium the only difference is how much of the stabilizer and cleaner package and octane modifiers, save yourself some cash go buy it in the bottle and add it according to directions.

before you start moaning El Diablo, I was at the Tidal Rd. Facility of Lubrizol for almost 7 years and helped get paperwork ready for shipments to all of the ones I listed, as well as castrol and exxon Mobile for oil and diesel additives
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hmm the lubrizol corperation thanks Shell and Chevron and Valero for their patronage and business, folks its all in what the petro companies buy in the additive package, basically from regular to premium the only difference is how much of the stabilizer and cleaner package and octane modifiers, save yourself some cash go buy it in the bottle and add it according to directions.

before you start moaning El Diablo, I was at the Tidal Rd. Facility of Lubrizol for almost 7 years and helped get paperwork ready for shipments to all of the ones I listed, as well as castrol and exxon Mobile for oil and diesel additives
You're right, no moaning from me.

The point is the refiner chooses how much of the additive package if puts into each different octane.

Secondly, Shell does not own it's branded gas stations and cannot be held responsible for what the owner does. sometimes you pull into a Shell, Chevron, Exxon, Valero for that matter and don't even get that brand of gas.

I know the trading contracts for Shell branded stations end after a set number of years and Shell loses all say so over the brand rights, so the owner can pretty much do what they want.
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Secondly, Shell does not own it's branded gas stations and cannot be held responsible for what the owner does. sometimes you pull into a Shell, Chevron, Exxon, Valero for that matter and don't even get that brand of gas.
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So this brings up another issue - how the can the average consumer tell what gas they are getting? I buy from a Shell or Chevron station - how do I know if its Shell or Chevron gas?

Isn't the "stated" point of franchises to provide the customer a consistent experience? Starbucks in Canada or anywhere else in the world tastes the same as in Houston or Seattle. Same for McDonalds... why are gas stations exempt from this?
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So this brings up another issue - how the can the average consumer tell what gas they are getting? I buy from a Shell or Chevron station - how do I know if its Shell or Chevron gas?

Isn't the "stated" point of franchises to provide the customer a consistent experience? Starbucks in Canada or anywhere else in the world tastes the same as in Houston or Seattle. Same for McDonalds... why are gas stations exempt from this?
The average consumer should know at this point that it's 99% marketing and almost any time you spend more for an advertised benefit you're paying for the advertised part.

On the nitrogen thing: We're adding an inert to a fuel to reduce efficiency in the hopes of preventing buildup during engine operations? Seems like there ought to be a better way, one that improves or doesn't reduce efficiency.
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On the nitrogen thing: We're adding an inert to a fuel to reduce efficiency in the hopes of preventing buildup during engine operations? Seems like there ought to be a better way, one that improves or doesn't reduce efficiency.
How about we take the ethanol out of the gasoline
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So this brings up another issue - how the can the average consumer tell what gas they are getting? I buy from a Shell or Chevron station - how do I know if its Shell or Chevron gas?

Isn't the "stated" point of franchises to provide the customer a consistent experience? Starbucks in Canada or anywhere else in the world tastes the same as in Houston or Seattle. Same for McDonalds... why are gas stations exempt from this?
I don't think you can, that is one of the things I found when I took Shell to court. The station was buying their gas from a non-shell supplier, transported by mission perto carrier, and put into the tank at the station.

The commercials lie!!!!
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The average consumer should know at this point that it's 99% marketing and almost any time you spend more for an advertised benefit you're paying for the advertised part.

On the nitrogen thing: We're adding an inert to a fuel to reduce efficiency in the hopes of preventing buildup during engine operations? Seems like there ought to be a better way, one that improves or doesn't reduce efficiency.
Yea, it dosn't make sence.

xt on removing the corn ethanol, that is just a fuking stupid idea.
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How do we know if we are REALLY getting 93 octane if thats what we are paying for and some camel jockey is selling us watered down 87 oct for $2.00 a gal?

The reason I ask is, my busa HAS to have 93 octane, its actually beyond borderline for its survival as it is.....if they are selling 87 oct instead, I could melt my sh*t......

Can we take samples and send it off for testing somewhere so I know who the honest gas stations are?
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