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Old 03-10-2009, 09:24 PM   #21
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regardless of which one you go to ... get there early, set up and make as many friends as you can. I've found that people at trackdays are always more than happy to help and give advice ... you just gotta put yourself out there ... talk to instructors after each session for advice, the more you talk to them, the more they're gonna know you're looking for guidance and the more they'll be looking out for you on the track.


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I've only been to two tracks so far, Texas World Speedway and MSR-Houston.

MSRH is technical with lots of turns, and TWS (Texas World Speedway) is a long fast track. People told me that MSRH would be tougher for me if I did TWS (Texas World Speedway) first and then went to MSRH and they were right, but I still loved it.

Keep that in mind too.
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I have finally decided that I need to do a track day. My question is where would you recomend my first experience be?

I was thinking about the Ride Smart event on 3/29. If I don't do that event I would not be able to make another event until after April 15 (tax season).

Location and price aren't really an issue. I just want to have the best time possible.

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Tater, I am doing Ride Smart on the 29th, this will be my 1st time out as well. I think I am going to MSR on the 21st to check out all the stuff and makes notes for the 29th. If ya wanna hook up let me know.
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I've riden with all the orgs. I liked and like TTD the best. Come check out MSRH on the 21st. Such a fun track!
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Tater, I am doing Ride Smart on the 29th, this will be my 1st time out as well. I think I am going to MSR on the 21st to check out all the stuff and makes notes for the 29th. If ya wanna hook up let me know.
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I used to be all like, "I'm only riding with this org." Or, "I'll never ride with them again." etc etc etc.

Ya know what REALITY is? The reality is that once it has hold of you, you wont give a who it is with, you'll just want to get some track time.

If you have the money, and the time, just do as many as you can. Who cares who it is with?

Look up Buck Beasley if you want, HONESTLY, the most seat time for your money. Longhorn blows all the other schools away as far as seat time. But, if I am not mistaken he is invitaion only. Do a few track days, pick up your pace and you can probably get on the list.

I choose Ridesmart, but just because they are my preferred, doesnt mean that I would NOT go to a TTD or LSTD event. As a matter of fact, because of my racing aspirations this year, I will frequent a few LSTD events.

I can not speak on LSTD because I have not been there. But if I am not mistaken, grid capacities are set by the TRACK. I'll lay odds that if any org could sell 45 spots in a level (at MSR-H), they would. Maybe I am worng. Don't hold me to that. I know if I owned a business and was charging 160.00 per customer, why would I shut it off at 25? When I could generate another3200.00 by filling the grid to the tracks specifications?

I hear all this about over packed grids, but ya know what, having the obstacles on the track have made me a better rider. When I ride with traffic and have to learn to make clean passes and watch out for others, guess what happens when I run on a clear track? I am better. I mean, if you dont liek teh traffic, learn to pass.

And finally, if money is truly no issue as you stated, then go get some personal time with Ty Howard. You'll get teh whole track, with few students and argueably the fastest rdier in Texas. (I said ARGUEABLY!) I know that's what I would be doing if "money was no issue."

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Look up Buck Beasley if you want, HONESTLY, the most seat time for your money. Longhorn blows all the other schools away as far as seat time. But, if I am not mistaken he is invitaion only. Do a few track days, pick up your pace and you can probably get on the list.

If I remember correctly Buck will not be taking in any new riders as his is by invite only due to his busy life.


I can not speak on LSTD because I have not been there. But if I am not mistaken, grid capacities are set by the TRACK. I'll lay odds that if any org could sell 45 spots in a level (at MSR-H), they would. Maybe I am worng. Don't hold me to that. I know if I owned a business and was charging 160.00 per customer, why would I shut it off at 25? When I could generate another3200.00 by filling the grid to the tracks specifications?

We have sold out on several occasions and had people get turned away online and at the track. We do 30 MAX not including instructors for safety reasons. We do 25 MAX at MSRHin novice because most in that group do not have lines and are still getting used to the track so again, safety

I hear all this about over packed grids, but ya know what, having the obstacles on the track have made me a better rider. When I ride with traffic and have to learn to make clean passes and watch out for others, guess what happens when I run on a clear track? I am better. I mean, if you dont liek teh traffic, learn to pass.

Its just personal preferece, some people come out to have fun, to go fast, trying to learn lines for a race, and some are practicing for races. It all depends on what the riders are looking for, As for a Noob to the track I do not think and over packed grid is good or safe especially when they do not get as much attention from instructors. ( nothing against you I heard you where working your off trying to help as many as possible)

And finally, if money is truly no issue as you stated, then go get some personal time with Ty Howard. You'll get teh whole track, with few students and argueably the fastest rdier in Texas. (I said ARGUEABLY!) I know that's what I would be doing if "money was no issue."
Doing a race school is a great idea as it is just another thing to better yoruself on the track, but you need to learn to walk before you can run. You will take in much more from a race school if you learn the basics of the track first.
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Cool. I did not know yall capped novice at 25. Good info Brena.
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Cool. I did not know yall capped novice at 25. Good info Brena.
It is different for each track. Tim can speak up for what they are at each track as they are different and I can never remember which is which except when people register and I see how many spots we have left in each group so I know when to lock it down
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I can not speak on LSTD because I have not been there. But if I am not mistaken, grid capacities are set by the TRACK. I'll lay odds that if any org could sell 45 spots in a level (at MSR-H), they would. Maybe I am worng. Don't hold me to that. I know if I owned a business and was charging 160.00 per customer, why would I shut it off at 25? When I could generate another3200.00 by filling the grid to the tracks specifications?
It's safety, and I'll elaborate below. Traffic complaints play a part, but not the driving force.
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I hear all this about over packed grids, but ya know what, having the obstacles on the track have made me a better rider. When I ride with traffic and have to learn to make clean passes and watch out for others, guess what happens when I run on a clear track? I am better. I mean, if you dont liek teh traffic, learn to pass.
Good discussion there Brandt, let me explain why LSTD does limit the number of riders.

Years ago, when LSTD was established, Steve/ Wade/ Jeff wanted to provide track time to folks so that they wouldn't have to travel to Florida, California, etc, and could get good quality track time locally. Safety is a huge part of the reason they created their policies. "Obstacles on the track" are the exact reason why folks go to the track instead of riding on the street- to NOT have "obstacles on the track".

There is a direct correlation between the number of riders on the track and the number of crashes/ off-track-excursions, and injuries caused by crashes by having high numbers of folks on the track.

We limit (and always have) the number of riders per track depending on the track size.

We also have 3 groups of riders based on skill for the same reason, so that there is more parity with riders on the track.

With limited numbers, I have still never had a problem passing/ being passed by people at track days.

YMMV, but that's why LSTD does it.
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What are your grid limits at TWS (Texas World Speedway)?
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What are your grid limits at TWS (Texas World Speedway)?
I think 30 per group... can't remember off the top of my head, I'll have to look at the web site.
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problem with overpacked grids.....or filled to the "track's" maximum limit.....there tends to be MORE wrecks for one reason or another. The time it takes to get riders off the track takes a tad longer....which takes away from track time. riding in advanced group you will hardly ever find a new personal best lap time. you'll spend the whole day learning how to pass....but that's about it. let's face it, passing people takes time away from laps.

of course if i was the track organizer i would want the most money possible also....but i'd also want to keep my customers happy. filling the grids up will make some people unhappy....but the price is substantially cheaper and some people may or probably not weigh them out. so the quote goes "you get what you pay for"
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problem with overpacked grids.....or filled to the "track's" maximum limit.....there tends to be MORE wrecks for one reason or another. The time it takes to get riders off the track takes a tad longer....which takes away from track time. riding in advanced group you will hardly ever find a new personal best lap time. you'll spend the whole day learning how to pass....but that's about it. let's face it, passing people takes time away from laps.

of course if i was the track organizer i would want the most money possible also....but i'd also want to keep my customers happy. filling the grids up will make some people unhappy....but the price is substantially cheaper and some people may or probably not weigh them out. so the quote goes "you get what you pay for"

bingo.

Lower fees mean more riders necessary to make ends meet. Bottom line. And people need to understand that, instead of slingling the "over packed grids" mud. The grids are never more full than what the facility allows. You want smaller groups, then pay higher prices or contact the facility and ask them to lower there capacities. Under packed grids make some happy, lower prices make others happy. Every org has thier niche.

And I agree, I set a new personal best on an empty track friday. on saturday, I felt like I was riding my off, but was 2 seconds slower.

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It's safety, and I'll elaborate below. Traffic complaints play a part, but not the driving force.


Good discussion there Brandt, let me explain why LSTD does limit the number of riders.

Years ago, when LSTD was established, Steve/ Wade/ Jeff wanted to provide track time to folks so that they wouldn't have to travel to Florida, California, etc, and could get good quality track time locally. Safety is a huge part of the reason they created their policies. "Obstacles on the track" are the exact reason why folks go to the track instead of riding on the street- to NOT have "obstacles on the track".

There is a direct correlation between the number of riders on the track and the number of crashes/ off-track-excursions, and injuries caused by crashes by having high numbers of folks on the track.

We limit (and always have) the number of riders per track depending on the track size.

We also have 3 groups of riders based on skill for the same reason, so that there is more parity with riders on the track.

With limited numbers, I have still never had a problem passing/ being passed by people at track days.

YMMV, but that's why LSTD does it.



Tom please forgive me if this is something stupid or simple but what does the YMMV mean? I have seen you post it a few times and blain it on prego brain, I dont get it
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Tom please forgive me if this is something stupid or simple but what does the YMMV mean? I have seen you post it a few times and blain it on prego brain, I dont get it
YMMV = your mileage may vary

which means, may or may not be the same in your case.
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which means, may or may not be the same in your case.
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I'm not too worried about any of it because I am positive I am going to have a blast no matter where I go for my first trackday!

With that said I was told that with my "displacement challenged" bike that MSRH would be good as it has a lot of turns and not the longest straights to just get burned on over and over.

I will be cornerworking the 4-4 TWS (Texas World Speedway) Ridesmart trackday and will hopefully be out at MSRH on 4-25 with them to redeem my credit. Hope to meet you and all the rest of the guys out there
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