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Old 03-10-2009, 02:54 PM   #41
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I still do not understand how a car can keep up with a bike on highways and open roads.

Hope both riders are ok.
Cars are no match to the liter bike but 600 isn't all that fast compared to the new cars. Then again, it's not the bike that can outrun the car but the riders' ability. In this story, it's the element of surprise that got the rider.
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Old 03-10-2009, 02:59 PM   #42
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really? is this true? everything i've read shows that car braking is superior to motorcycle braking due to the area of the contact patch..
What is your experience on the road?? The contact patch matters if your vehicle skids and the friction of the tires will help slow down faster with 4 vs 2 tires. But most of the braking force is in the pads and disks. So it requires more force to stop a 2000lb vehicle compared to one weighing 500lbs if travelling at the same speed. If tire contact was the main issue, then all wheels on a vehicle should just lock and you slide to a stop. But someone invented ABS for a reason. Obviously, depending on what speed you are travelling at, then one is better than the other. But who travels at 150mph? Anyway, will check it out for ya.
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I was in the center lane going 288 northbound through Pearland when a Lexus coupe entered at F.M. 518 last Thursday. Saw him switching into the center lane before the solid white expired on the entrance ramp, so I adjusted accordingly going to the far left lane - left hand side of the lane. Fvcker kept coming over, so I braked and swung back around to the middle lane. Guy was talking on his cell, switching 3 - 3 1/2 lanes w/o a blinker. Next thing I know, the guy is motioning for me to pull over. He was pacing me until the Beltway exit where I pulled off. He followed right behind me. Stopped at the light - still right behind me and kept my eye on him. He was a school yard special - all talk. However, I had an exit to the right if needed. Definitely wasn't picking a fight, but I wasn't going to go a few miles out of my way if I didn't need to. Light turned green to go under the beltway and I moved around the one truck in front of me to give me the space I needed to eliminate this j@ckoff as a threat. Picked up the Belt and I was on my way, idiot left behind. Trust me, I was skeptical about stopping, but I made sure that there was adequate space for me to escape if he had decided to flex his miniscule nuts at the light.

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What is your experience on the road?? The contact patch matters if your vehicle skids and the friction of the tires will help slow down faster with 4 vs 2 tires. But most of the braking force is in the pads and disks. So it requires more force to stop a 2000lb vehicle compared to one weighing 500lbs if travelling at the same speed. If tire contact was the main issue, then all wheels on a vehicle should just lock and you slide to a stop. But someone invented ABS for a reason. Obviously, depending on what speed you are travelling at, then one is better than the other. But who travels at 150mph? Anyway, will check it out for ya.
say what? the contact patch matters when you're braking, turning, and accelerating. At correct maximum straightline braking for a non abs bike, the bike will perform a stoppie and all braking force is on the front tire only. A car (not a two ton truck/bus/etc/) will still have four contact patches at maximum braking so the a car will always have a shorter stopping distance..
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Old 03-10-2009, 03:32 PM   #46
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Regardless of contact patch, you have to include the enertia of the vehicle, i.e. weight.

Using your theory, my 5800# 4x4 with 33 x 12.50 tires should out stop the average compact car. Not gonna happen.

I can stop my old heavy bike in quite a bit shorter distance than a car.
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Cars vs. bikes stopping has been debated over and over...you'll find information lending itself to both sides:

Assuming the rider is capable, a sport bike will outbrake almost any street car. Race cars, which are stripped/winged/etc are a different story.

Road and track did a 0-100mph-0 test involving a bunch of cars back in the day. They also brought a long a zx-9r, which managed to do 0-100-0 before the fastest car was able to even hit 100. The braking distance from 100 mph was 320 ft for the bike and 351 for the fastest braking car (porsche 911 turbo). This was back in 1994, though.. so tech has changed, but Im not sure if the advances in car braking have been enough to make up the differential. The car certainly has more traction, but not enough to compensate for the fact that the bike has much less mass relative to its braking swept area.

Top end cars (lambo, porsche/some, etc) will out brake a bike, however your mom's grocery getter, NO - don't forget about engine braking as well, so there are more stopping forces at play than just your brakes when determining overal distance to 0mph.

Moral of the story? - Regardless of who brakes faster, be smarter and more aware of what's going on around you to make this a MUTE point!
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Old 03-10-2009, 04:26 PM   #49
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Cars vs. bikes stopping has been debated over and over...you'll find information lending itself to both sides:

Assuming the rider is capable, a sport bike will outbrake almost any street car. Race cars, which are stripped/winged/etc are a different story.

Road and track did a 0-100mph-0 test involving a bunch of cars back in the day. They also brought a long a zx-9r, which managed to do 0-100-0 before the fastest car was able to even hit 100. The braking distance from 100 mph was 320 ft for the bike and 351 for the fastest braking car (porsche 911 turbo). This was back in 1994, though.. so tech has changed, but Im not sure if the advances in car braking have been enough to make up the differential. The car certainly has more traction, but not enough to compensate for the fact that the bike has much less mass relative to its braking swept area.

Top end cars (lambo, porsche/some, etc) will out brake a bike, however your mom's grocery getter, NO - don't forget about engine braking as well, so there are more stopping forces at play than just your brakes when determining overal distance to 0mph.

Moral of the story? - Regardless of who brakes faster, be smarter and more aware of what's going on around you to make this a MUTE point!
Go make another thread! Your all wrong and have absolutely no idea what your talking about. You are only considering static and dynamic friction forces when there are many more tire models in mechanical engineering involved. Prove me wrong in another thread.

To the O.P and the others involved in these situations, do you think your situation called for deadly force? In other words, if you had a gun and a CHL would you have used it?
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Just seems like there is more to the story as to why it all started.
I was just thinking the same thing. Not that it justifies it but there are always 2 sides.
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To the O.P and the others involved in these situations, do you think your situation called for deadly force? In other words, if you had a gun and a CHL would you have used it?
No.... since "you" were knocked off the bike and the driver is heading down the road, then your life is not being threatened anymore, so legally you should not use deadly force. How are you going to explain to the jury why the driver was shot in the back of the head from 50yds away.


Yes....if you were swerved at twice and you got off the bike, then they raced the car at you to run you over, then your life is being threatened, so legally you could use deadly force. You can explain that they tried to knock you off 2 times earlier and you fear it was going to escalate to them trying to hit you from the back, that is why you stop and got off the bike instead of riding away at high speed on residential street. Then they charged you with the bike and you had no where to go, but send them to their maker.
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Also something to think about, make sure your shells were loaded into the mag while wearing gloves. If you're CHL and you unload on someone's car then they report you and the popo shows, your prints are going to be laying around everywhere.
You don't need to be carrying a gun if:
1. you feel the need to load the bullets wearing gloves so your fingerprints are not on them. most new guns have the bullet with striation on file with manufacturer/ATF when you buy the gun. That is the purpose for that empty shell in an envelope with a new gun. To let you know that they know that you know that they can trace your gun. The cops will look for the bullet, it is more definitive.
2. you pulled a gun and you are worried about someone reporting you. Then maybe you shouldn't have pulled it, because you are probably a poor decision maker and will get your in deep real soon real fast.
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I doubt CHL would have helped here. If the car was chasing him down, he'd have to stop to draw the gun. It also sounds like the guys caught him by surprise by hitting him from the rear. Now if he had lured them into the lot and got off the bike then it would be ON. A good friend of mine emptied a 9mm across the hood of a guys civic who had tailed him for miles and he couldn't shake no matter how many turns & cuts he made. Friend told me he didn't realize a honda could smoke the tires in reverse.

Also something to think about, make sure your shells were loaded into the mag while wearing gloves. If you're CHL and you unload on someone's car then they report you and the popo shows, your prints are going to be laying around everywhere.
if your friend cant get away from a honda civic, he shouldn't be riding
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was the police called out? Hopefully they check traffic cams or security tapes from nearby stores...

...that is majorily ****ed up though
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Go make another thread! Your all wrong and have absolutely no idea what your talking about. You are only considering static and dynamic friction forces when there are many more tire models in mechanical engineering involved. Prove me wrong in another thread.

To the O.P and the others involved in these situations, do you think your situation called for deadly force? In other words, if you had a gun and a CHL would you have used it?
How about prove yourself right? As I mentioned, you will find information lending itself to BOTH sides of the arguement. I quoted Road and Track, not spouting what I think off the top of my head. Main point - refer to the moral of the story

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If I was hit by car, I would not draw my weapon. How would you justify that.

So if some soccer mom in a van sideswiped you and kept driving, you would draw your weapon and fire into the back of the minivan?



HOWEVER, if I was involved in an altercation at a bar. I sure would pay serious attention to surroundings as I left and approached my car/bike. Even watching to see if anyone followed me and such.

Ive actually walked circles around a parking lot after an altercation at a Time Out Bar.

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