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Old 03-03-2009, 05:07 PM   #1
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choosing the right group for a trackday.

Whether you are riding with LMS, TTD, LSTD, Ride Smart, or Elite trackdays....having ridden a handful of different trackday organizations, i've noticed the same thing over and over. even i will admit i am guilty of riding in the wrong groups before. but the advice i'm about to give....was something i did myself as well.

i've always noticed a lot of people being in the wrong groups....especially within the intermediate group. as an instructor....we would much rather like to do more instructing, and less policeing.

some are too fast, but don't like being passed and want to do all the passing.....reality check....there will always be someone quicker. go to advance, get stuffed with some humble pie, and learn to be a safer and faster rider. (this is usually not the case, cuz people tend to know when they are ready to move up to advance....and there's nothing wrong with staying in this group if you are not comfortable with close passes....but if you're out doing nasty deeds with the passing....you have no excuse)

and for the slower riders that joined intermediate because they were faster than the majority of the novice group on their first trackday, or signed up for intermediate because novice was full or you wanna ride with your buddy in intermediate type of guys/gals.....THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG with being in the novice group. everyone starts somewhere, we've all been at the bottom of the food chain at one point. novice/beginner groups get WAY more attention from instructors in any given trackday organization. why not take advantage of it and ride the novice group until you can near teach it yourself?

slower riders in advanced group....if someone laps you more than once in 1 session....(besides Grandsport since it takes only around a minute to go around there) you might wanna try and go back to intermediate. passing the majority of the group builds confidence and the fun level goes up. give it a try....a confident rider....is a fast rider. also if you get stuffed to the point of almost running off, or you bump bikes/body parts in a turn....get comfortable with that and don't panic or get mad.....that's why advanced groups have "no passing restrictions". although it is not a race and it's only a trackday.....some people are still training for race days. also careful to the slower guys in advance.....i'm sure most already know, but the faster riders like to stuff the slower riders or try to spook them so they get outta the way.

sometimes it's a good thing and very beneficial to take a step back and re-learn the basics.....you never know, you might've missed a lesson or two in your previous novice class.

DON'T BE EMBARASSED to ask questions to any instructor. there is no answer without a question and the only dumb question is the one that isn't asked!!!

even i like to slow it down sometimes and join the novice groups to take a few rounds on the track to help myself find more reference points, track flaws, smoother/rougher sections of the tracks, etc...

that is all....have a nice day.
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Old 03-03-2009, 05:10 PM   #2
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Nice write up.
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Old 03-03-2009, 05:12 PM   #3
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Sounds like great advice to me
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You will know when it's time to move up,

and they will tell you when it's time to move down.

Start in Novice, work with an instructor, get some experience and moving up will come naturally. There's no reset button to fix mistakes.
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Old 03-03-2009, 05:21 PM   #6
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I wanted to go to Novice but they were moving too slow in the begining of the day. And I have never rode that track before. My next track day I would like to have some more guidence in the Intermidiate sessions. I did not realize what I was doing wrong till I saw one or two pics recently and if an instructor would of pointed it out earlier I would have try'd to correct it sooner. It is no ones falt but my own for not getting help sooner. I am a very good self tought but I just thought I was off the bike more than I realy was but we will see if my body position changed later in the day if anyone took any pics after lunch.
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I am slow that is why I joined a faster group to learn from them. Is this wrong?
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why do the motards run advanced? I do not remember seeing any in novice and few in inter.
I personaly believe it is easier to go faster on a motard because they are easier to ride. They are lighter and nimble and the weight to power is awsome.
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why do the motards run advanced? I do not remember seeing any in novice and few in inter.
they made most of us ride in advanced

i noticed when i took one of my bikes out in intermediate i was lapping people , but in advanced sportbikes were lapping me :(
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excellent write-up Tony....in addition, I think it is just as much the corner workers position to notice "hazards" to the group. I (along with others) had someone checked out and ultimately bumped down after an instructor monitiored thier abilities this past Sunday.

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why do the motards run advanced? I do not remember seeing any in novice and few in inter.
HONESTLY, I think they put them there b/c motarded guys run some wider/different lines than most sportbikes and most of them were quick (just not fast enough on the straights). Perhaps the ability of an advanced rider can maneuver around them more quickly and better judges of what lines they are running, etc.

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If you would keep it on the track that wouldn't happen.
i blame brandt still
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they made most of us ride in advanced

i noticed when i took one of my bikes out in intermediate i was lapping people , but in advanced sportbikes were lapping me :(
you have to turn the throttle sir, and maybe stop trying to back it in.
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i turn it , but yall are some fast mofos ..... i was like it there andy goes again
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they made most of us ride in advanced

i noticed when i took one of my bikes out in intermediate i was lapping people , but in advanced sportbikes were lapping me :(
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