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Old 03-03-2009, 07:05 PM   #301
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Old 03-03-2009, 07:07 PM   #302
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he was rear ended......how is not watching what is going on around you not your fault?

And I am in no bashing Fuller. I thnk he is a cool guy. Just wondering.
1. he, like the rest of men on the entire planet, would never imagine being rearended on his bike by his SO.

2. nobody, to my knowledge, has eyes in the back of their heads

3. the track doesnt teach you how to be psychic.

4. when most people ride, they keep their eyes on the road ahead of them, only checking the mirrors on occasion. we dont ride with our eyes glued to the mirrors.
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Old 03-03-2009, 07:07 PM   #303
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correct me if i'm wrong, but is the only place you can learn these things is on the track? I'm pretty sure i knew all of these things from riding on the street... hmm...
Who said the track was the only place you can learn these things, Fuller? I said it is a place you CAN learn those things. I also believe the learning is a little more intensive on the track. For example, how often do people really brake hard on the street? Rarely. And when they do it's an emergency. At the track you do it multiple times a lap.
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I somewhat agree, but i think a good deal of how safe a person is depends a great deal directly on how responsible of a rider they are.

Like I said all along, I agree that track days make you a better rider, but track days are not the only way a person can be a safer rider on the street.
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correct me if i'm wrong, but is the only place you can learn these things is on the track? I'm pretty sure i knew all of these things from riding on the street... hmm...


and i still didn't get an answer from anybody about listing just one person that has done 60K miles on the track with only 1 minor accident. you are more likely to wreck your bike on the track than on the street. with that goes an insurance claim, and then more money for an insurance premium. show me a way to completely trash a bike on the track and not have to pay any extra, then I'll do another track day. anyone want to loan me a bike? ****if i wreck it, there will be no extra charge to me at all**** I'll just give you an "i'm sorry"
You got an answer from me dude. i said we are talking about 1 track day. Not 60k worth. And congratulations on your 60k miles with 1 minor accident. That is fantastic.

It is always great to take 1 exception to the rule, and start a movement behind it. My grandpa smoked 40 years and never got cancer. I guess cigarettes don't cause cancer...at least not for 40 years.

Thanks to your post, I will now go purchase a bicycle and practice sliding the rear. Then I will hop on a motard and show Mekrew how to do it right. Since I learned when I was 5, on a bicycle.

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1. true but happens
2. nope but I do watch what is around me, even more so when coming to a stop
3. I wish it did and nobody said it did
4. refer back to #2.

But a wreck is wreck. Same thing with Princess. He did not know that he was going to do what he did. So is that Princess's wreck?
youre veering off the point. the subject is how track riding makes you a better rider. since you do not use mirrors on the track, how exactly does it teach you how to not be rear ended? and how do you know if youre gonna be rear ended anyways? i look in my mirrors when i am stopped and you know what i see? i see a car coming up on me, LIKE ITS SUPPOSED TO. in that half second between the time you know youre gonna be hit and the time you actually get hit, theres really nothing you can do, unless the guy doesnt slow down at all and that is something you can notice from a distance.
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true... i have been riding motorcycles since 1964. way before most of you were born... only track i have been on is dirt tracks... and i must be some sort of good safe rider to still be around after all these years on the streets

now watch me get wadded up by a cager ... damnit... ok carry on...

This was my point!!!! There are multiple people on this site who have been riding motorcycles longer than many of us here have been alive. I have ridden with 2 of our old timers and they are by far some of the safest people i have ridden with hands down. I would argue, (this is from my own personal experience riding with many people on this board) that the two older gentleman I have ridden with from here are by far safer street riders than many people I have ridden with who have "done a track day".

Which is why I find it funny that several people on here still agree with the statement that "any person who has done a track day is a safer street rider than any person who hasn't". its hilarious.

It's like saying any person who has ever fired a gun before will be more likely to hit their target than someone who hasn't. While it may be a trend or pattern it is not by any means a fact and is not something that could ever be proven.
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Not really sure how anyone can disagree that Track Days wont make you a better, safer rider. I mean , if it's nothing else...it's seat time.

But it's all good. Maybe this thread raised some awareness. Maybe people think I am a dcik now. Maybe people think I am an elitest. It's whatever for me.

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Not really sure how anyone can disagree that Track Days wont make you a better, safer rider. I mean , if it's nothing else...it's seat time.

But it's all good. Maybe this thread raised some awareness. Maybe people think I am a dcik now. Maybe people think I am an elitest. It's whatever for me.

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i understand where your coming front. You make a valid point.
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Which is why I find it funny that several people on here still agree with the statement that "any person who has done a track day is a safer street rider than any person who hasn't". its hilarious.
They have skills to avoid situations and adapt to road conditions better.

However, most who hit the track pipe will be riding more aggressively then street riders going out for a ride. It is the choice of individual riders, not generalizations.

I am a pretty safe rider but choose when Im by myself or away from everyone to act a little stupid when I feel like it.
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Which is why I find it funny that several people on here still agree with the statement that "any person who has done a track day is a safer street rider than any person who hasn't". its hilarious.
I think, for you, the issue is around the word "safer" vs. "responsible". And I think "better" rider or perhaps "more capable" rider would fit better for your liking.
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Not really sure how anyone can disagree that Track Days wont make you a better, safer rider. I mean , if it's nothing else...it's seat time.

But it's all good. Maybe this thread raised some awareness. Maybe people think I am a dcik now. Maybe people think I am an elitest. It's whatever for me.

I know my intentions are pure.
I know your intentions where not ill. We both are pretty much on the same page. I completely agree that there is a ton that any person can learn from doing a track day. I love track days and I recommend them to anyone who wants to have more fun then they have ever had on 2 wheels.



I just can't believe that some people truly think that any person who has done a track day will be safer on the streets than someone who hasn't. It is a incorrect generalization.
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I think, for you, the issue is around the word "safer" vs. "responsible". And I think "better" rider or perhaps "more capable" rider would fit better for your liking.
It's not an argument over my wording. Several people have stated agreement to that same statement I have said multiple times I believe to be incorrect.

You cannot make the assumption that no matter what, any person who has done a track day will be safer on the streets than someone who hasn't.

My point is that is incorrect.
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