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View Poll Results: Should earphones be allowed on the track?
Yes 22 17.60%
No 79 63.20%
Do as you wish 24 19.20%
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Old 02-20-2009, 02:56 PM   #121
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When it comes to me PAYING for a trackday, I expect the orginization to take all appropriate measures to make me (the participant) and the other participants as safe as possible.

This is a safety issue, no way you can argue this....

Just like I expect them to inspect all of the bikes before they let them on the track.

I want the safety of the day to be the #1 thing on the organizations mind, not wether or not someone is unpleased with the guidelines in place.

That is all. Like you said, we've beat this one to death and I think the poll shows what the vast majority expects out of the org.
That seems so obvious to me. What more is there to say? I will leave this thread alone. All has been said that needs to be said.
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Old 02-20-2009, 02:57 PM   #122
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I would like to know out of who responded to the poll have actually done a trackday. I would think that may skew the results.

Just a thought.
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Old 02-20-2009, 03:00 PM   #123
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This is a safety issue, no way you can argue this....
You keep saying that but no one here has yet to prove it! Yet there have been a few to state that they do it on a regular basis and have yet to cause a saftey issue! It is the majorities belief that it could be a saftey issue and if that is what the majority would like to see enforced, fine! But stop presenting it as a fact when it is an opinion!
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*Note to self...if I come up on this bike during a trackday...give her plenty of room...she is not going to hear me coming. I'd hate to be one of the bikes 'distracting' her as I go wizzing by.

I'm rather disappointed that an 'instructor' uses music. I would've thought there was enough to do watching her students and setting a good example.
Candie is an excellent instructor and a fine example. I never knew she wore earphones until she spoke up about it. Obviously it is not an issue for her. She has helped more students than I can count, and will help many more. You'd be priviledged to learn from her.

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you think states have enacted laws without proof?
dude...let it go already. If you have no track experience, then your opinion on track matters is worthless.
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Old 02-20-2009, 03:06 PM   #125
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You keep saying that but no one here has yet to prove it! Yet there have been a few to state that they do it on a regular basis and have yet to cause a saftey issue! It is the majorities belief that it could be a saftey issue and if that is what the majority would like to see enforced, fine! But stop presenting it as a fact when it is an opinion!
I can only debate my side for so long....don't take it personally Candie.

It's a safety issue....it is a distraction (drawing someone's attention away from something).
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I can only debate my side for so long....don't take it personally Candie.

It's a safety issue....it is a distraction (drawing someone's attention away from something).

Danny, you need to get in on my trackday giveaway contest
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dude...let it go already. If you have no track experience, then your opinion on track matters is worthless.
I beg to differ, if these noobs see experienced riders/instructors using eaephones during trackdays, they'll assume it's ok. Of all people using them, I would think noobs would be the most affected by this additional distraction.
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I can only debate my side for so long....don't take it personally Candie.

It's a safety issue....it is a distraction (drawing someone's attention away from something).
I am not taking it personally at all Danny! I am just offering my point of view.
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I beg to differ, if these noobs see experienced riders/instructors using eaephones during trackdays, they'll assume it's ok. Of all people using them, I would think noobs would be the most affected by this additional distraction.
don't think so......this guys is just playing devils advocate and stirring the pot. He's added nothing useful to the debate.
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Danny, you need to get in on my trackday giveaway contest
I got no photoshop skillz.... Just CAD....
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I got no photoshop skillz.... Just CAD....
so use cad.......you don't skills for choppin anyway in my contest...just cut & paste
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don't think so......this guys is just playing devils advocate and stirring the pot. He's added nothing useful to the debate.
he's got my back that counts for something!!!
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dude...let it go already. If you have no track experience, then your opinion on track matters is worthless.

I once heard a footsolider tell someone if you have not fought in the Iraq war you have no business talking about what we should be doing there. He consequently also had a high school education. If I should take what you said seriously then I would also think the high school graduate should be making crucial foreign policy decisions.
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I once heard a footsolider tell someone if you have not fought in the Iraq war you have no business talking about what we should be doing there. He consequently also had a high school education. If I should take what you said seriously then I would also think the high school graduate should be making crucial foreign policy decisions.

if the shoe fits.....

Look at Kickarillo....the man has an 8th grade education, but is the premier home builder in Houston, and worth millions
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I beg to differ, if these noobs see experienced riders/instructors using eaephones during trackdays, they'll assume it's ok. Of all people using them, I would think noobs would be the most affected by this additional distraction.
Maybe but in my 4 years, 70+ trackdays I never had ANYONE tell me that they felt it was s saftey issue to ride with earphones. I started out my very first trackday with them. And have continued over the past 4 years with them. I never once hid the fact that I wore them lots and lots of riders and instructors have seen me do it and no one said a word. Until this thread I never knew so many people felt it was an issue!
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dude...let it go already. If you have no track experience, then your opinion on track matters is worthless.

Agreed you are speaking out of school. Having never done a trackday, OR I'll bet ever even ventured to a track on a trackday, your opinion is worthless.
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if the shoe fits.....

Look at Kickarillo....the man has an 8th grade education, but is the premier home builder in Houston, and worth millions
Making money does not require an education just smarts. I doubt he designs any homes, or actually builds them himself. Plus he seems to be an open minded person. That will get you far in life
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Agreed you are speaking out of school. Having never done a trackday, OR I'll bet ever even ventured to a track on a trackday, your opinion is worthless.

Glad I waited to go. Now I know which one not to go to. Unsafe in my opinion.
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Until this thread I never knew so many people felt it was an issue!
people are afraid to speak up... I'm really not trying to step on toes, I promise. , even I jam when snowboarding down a hill, but at the same time I'm not travelling at triple digit speeds.
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Old 02-20-2009, 03:31 PM   #140
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I think there is a difference between in ear headphones and phones mounted in cheek pads. The latter allows the rider to still hear everything happening around them. In the ear phones or something that blocks all the sound from the bikes around you seem like a risky proposition.

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