MotoHouston.com MotoHouston.com
Register Members List Member Map Media Calendar Garage Forum Home Mark Forums Read

Go Back   MotoHouston.com > General Discussion > Taking it to the Track
Forgot info?

Welcome to MotoHouston.com! You are currently viewing our forums as a guest which gives you limited access to the community. By joining our free community you will have access to great discounts from our sponsors, the ability to post topics, communicate privately with other members, respond to polls, upload content, free email, classifieds, and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free, join our community!

Register Today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.


Like us on Facebook! Regular shirt GIVEAWAYS and more

Advertisement

Reply
Share This Thread: 
Subscribe to this Thread Thread Tools
Old 02-17-2009, 02:46 PM   #21
DustinJ
979
 
DustinJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Angleton, TX
Feedback Rating: (-1)
Posts: 557

Trackdays: 10+

Bike(s):
'09 R6
'08 R6








Send a message via MSN to DustinJ
I highly doubt your using all the suspension at T1 at TWS (Texas World Speedway), not even Irish or Alonzo do at a faster pace. There are just some gnarly bumps in the pavement there... what I'd recommend if your gonna do anything for now is just throw a Penske on the rear and some oil and springs in the forks. Call Larry at 512-297-5212 he knows exactly what to do with the GSX-R's. He's got mine, Allan's and a handful of other guys bikes working PERFECT. Well worth the money or even the time chatting with him about what to do!
__________________
http://dustinjohnsonracing.webs.com/index.htm
CMRA Expert #979
Sponsored by: AAA Lift Trucks Racing, Sunny Motorsports, RaceWorx / Jim Cambora
DustinJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Similar Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
mx suspension question QUICKGIXX Dirtbikes, Mini's, ATV's..... 2 02-08-2013 10:14 PM
question on suspension settings 1slocbr How To's and Q & A's 11 11-29-2008 08:27 PM
Suspension question maxgs Taking it to the Track 13 06-09-2008 07:54 PM
Suspension Question spidermanfreak2 Taking it to the Track 10 11-06-2006 11:30 AM
Advertisement
Old 02-17-2009, 03:20 PM   #22
SCRC John
Why am I not a MH sponsor
 
SCRC John's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Magnolia, Tx
Feedback Rating: (5)
Posts: 2,747

Experience: 10+ years
Trackdays: 10+






Member Garage





IMHO, there are only 3 certified suspension people around, that I would let touch my bike.

1) Jim Cambora - Raceworx - (817) 473-8884
2) Patrick Hart - Motorcycles Unlimited - (281) 444-0545
3) Billy Wiese - WRW Racing - (512) 470-0442
SCRC John is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2009, 03:23 PM   #23
Timme'
Tim-Maaaay!
 
Timme''s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Georgetown, TX
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 448


Bike(s):
08 Triumph Daytona 675









Quote:
Originally Posted by DustinJ View Post
I highly doubt your using all the suspension at T1 at TWS (Texas World Speedway), not even Irish or Alonzo do at a faster pace. There are just some gnarly bumps in the pavement there... what I'd recommend if your gonna do anything for now is just throw a Penske on the rear and some oil and springs in the forks. Call Larry at 512-297-5212 he knows exactly what to do with the GSX-R's. He's got mine, Allan's and a handful of other guys bikes working PERFECT. Well worth the money or even the time chatting with him about what to do!
+1
__________________
ďI am so busy doing nothing... that the idea of doing anything - which as you know, always leads to something - cuts into the nothing and then forces me to have to drop everything.Ē
Timme' is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2009, 04:00 PM   #24
1slocbr
Banned
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Ethiopia
Feedback Rating: (2)
Posts: 2,737

Experience: 1-3 months
Trackdays: 1

Bike(s):
junk grand
junk 6








User is banned

.
1slocbr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2009, 04:05 PM   #25
maxgs
Guest
 
Posts: n/a







Member Garage





Hooligan, I have trouble believing that your stock suspension is holding you back with you at 150 lbs and running the times you do at TWS (Texas World Speedway) and MSR-H. Get the sags set properly and have somebody help you with geometry adjustments. I'd venture to guess that a capable 150 lb racer would be 5 to 10 seconds faster than you at both TWS (Texas World Speedway) and MSR-H on your own bike.

It would be worthwhile to have your suspension serviced, i.e. new fluid and an inspection when you have the sags set. If they find an issue then you should upgrade.
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2009, 04:21 PM   #26
Hooligan
Presrvtionthrudestruction
 
Hooligan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: The funky ghetto
Feedback Rating: (3)
Posts: 6,698

Experience: 5 years
Trackdays: 10+

Bike(s):
08 CBR 600rr
06 GSXR600
07 Honda crf50 (stunt)
Your mom






Send a message via AIM to Hooligan
Quote:
Originally Posted by maxgs View Post
Hooligan, I have trouble believing that your stock suspension is holding you back with you at 150 lbs and running the times you do at TWS (Texas World Speedway) and MSR-H. Get the sags set properly and have somebody help you with geometry adjustments. I'd venture to guess that a capable 150 lb racer would be 5 to 10 seconds faster than you at both TWS (Texas World Speedway) and MSR-H on your own bike.

It would be worthwhile to have your suspension serviced, i.e. new fluid and an inspection when you have the sags set. If they find an issue then you should upgrade.
Who said it was holding me back? The suspension is fine, I just wanted opinions on upgrades and if there necessary.



Fermin is going to replace my seals and oil next week
__________________
Hooligan-Awarded "Most improved on the track" 2008
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThomAss View Post
I learned the awesomeness that is Hooligan.
Never trust your own eyes, believe what you are told.
Hooligan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2009, 04:24 PM   #27
Turnerscasa
Box it, or bin it!
 
Turnerscasa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 311


Bike(s):
2008 CBR1000RR
2007 GSXR750








Quote:
Originally Posted by maxgs View Post
Hooligan, I have trouble believing that your stock suspension is holding you back with you at 150 lbs and running the times you do at TWS (Texas World Speedway) and MSR-H. Get the sags set properly and have somebody help you with geometry adjustments. I'd venture to guess that a capable 150 lb racer would be 5 to 10 seconds faster than you at both TWS (Texas World Speedway) and MSR-H on your own bike.

It would be worthwhile to have your suspension serviced, i.e. new fluid and an inspection when you have the sags set. If they find an issue then you should upgrade.
I agree. Best you can do with the stock suspension and the GSXR 06-07 600/750 geometry is lower your forks flush with the triple. You really need them even lower, but you'll need extension caps for that as to not compromise rigidity. (see Traxxion for the caps) Worked good for me.
Turnerscasa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2009, 04:26 PM   #28
07SLVRCBR
October '08 BOTM
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Friendswood
Feedback Rating: (4)
Posts: 4,064

Experience: 1-3 months

Bike(s):
2007 CBR1000RR









Quote:
Originally Posted by Hooligan View Post
Who said it was holding me back? The suspension is fine, I just wanted opinions on upgrades and if there necessary.



Fermin is going to replace my seals and oil next week
Having good suspension will make fast feel more comfortable. Ask anyone who's spent the money.
__________________
Support your site sponsors!!

See ya @ the track!
07SLVRCBR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2009, 04:44 PM   #29
maxgs
Guest
 
Posts: n/a







Member Garage





Quote:
Originally Posted by Hooligan View Post
Who said it was holding me back? The suspension is fine, I just wanted opinions on upgrades and if there necessary.



Fermin is going to replace my seals and oil next week
ok, next time I'll stick with the silent majority.
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2009, 04:53 PM   #30
Brian f.
Senior Member
 
Brian f.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: OKC weekends, Fort Worth weekdays
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 494

Trackdays: 10+

Bike(s):
06 CRF450 Tard FOR SALE!!!!!!
2007 1000RR
K8 750 Track bike
Racecar 8.02 @ 169 FOR SALE, not for faint of heart






Quote:
Originally Posted by Turnerscasa View Post
I agree. Best you can do with the stock suspension and the GSXR 06-07 600/750 geometry is lower your forks flush with the triple. You really need them even lower, but you'll need extension caps for that as to not compromise rigidity. (see Traxxion for the caps) Worked good for me.
Why do those bikes benefit from flushing with the triple?? That should hypothetically add top end stability and slow down the bikes turn in & flickablility, correct?? Those bikes known for being to twitchy and thus why one would want to do that??


I ask not to get a debate going, asking merely b/c i dont know, lol. Ive been doing some reading and research on these things and am in the process of setting the suspension for my k8 750..........so thus why i ask.
Brian f. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2009, 05:47 PM   #31
Turnerscasa
Box it, or bin it!
 
Turnerscasa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 311


Bike(s):
2008 CBR1000RR
2007 GSXR750








Well, either way you go it’s a compromise isn’t it? This direction helps the bike with front-end feel and reduces it naturally twitchy setup. My bike felt good with the forks flush. I have all Ohlins now and am able to run the forks far down in the triple. The GSXR's steer really quick anyway so I didn’t even notice anything negative there.. IMHO..
Turnerscasa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2009, 05:57 PM   #32
Brian f.
Senior Member
 
Brian f.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: OKC weekends, Fort Worth weekdays
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 494

Trackdays: 10+

Bike(s):
06 CRF450 Tard FOR SALE!!!!!!
2007 1000RR
K8 750 Track bike
Racecar 8.02 @ 169 FOR SALE, not for faint of heart






Quote:
Originally Posted by Turnerscasa View Post
Well, either way you go itís a compromise isnít it? This direction helps the bike with front-end feel and reduces it naturally twitchy setup. My bike felt good with the forks flush. I have all Ohlins now and am able to run the forks far down in the triple. The GSXR's steer really quick anyway so I didnít even notice anything negative there.. IMHO..
Yes, yes it is. Trying to educate myself deep enough in these things so that i can make educated adjustments myself this year at the tracks and see if i can determine a feel for what i like from the bike and it from me.
Brian f. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2009, 06:13 PM   #33
Turnerscasa
Box it, or bin it!
 
Turnerscasa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 311


Bike(s):
2008 CBR1000RR
2007 GSXR750








Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian f. View Post
Yes, yes it is. Trying to educate myself deep enough in these things so that i can make educated adjustments myself this year at the tracks and see if i can determine a feel for what i like from the bike and it from me.
Did Suzuki even change anything on the suspension and geomerty from the K7to the K8? I know the motors better on the K8.
Turnerscasa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2009, 06:17 PM   #34
houseofpaint
PM for BESTPRICE on parts
 
houseofpaint's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Spring, TX
Feedback Rating: (7)
Posts: 9,486

Experience: 10+ years
Trackdays: 10+

Bike(s):
2010 Yamaha R1 racebike
2012 GSXR750 Racebike
2003 DRZ125 semiflattracker


Member Garage





Send a message via AIM to houseofpaint
Original Question.....TRAXXION AK20's in the front, and PENSKE rear shock. I've had ohlins 25mil cartridges in the front, and Ohlins shock in the rear in the past.....but it's not easy to get those Ohlins setup. traxxion/penske is easier to setup, but require more service than the ohlins.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian f. View Post
Why do those bikes benefit from flushing with the triple?? That should hypothetically add top end stability and slow down the bikes turn in & flickablility, correct?? Those bikes known for being to twitchy and thus why one would want to do that??


I ask not to get a debate going, asking merely b/c i dont know, lol. Ive been doing some reading and research on these things and am in the process of setting the suspension for my k8 750..........so thus why i ask.
2006+ gsxr 6/750 needs more ground clearance, needs more swingarm angle, and needs more trail (distance from front to back wheel, which increases/decreases turn in and stability mid corner).

only lifting the front end will not do what you want. you must also shim the rear shock (if you are using a stocker), if you have an aftermarket, they have ride height adjustment......and you will need to raise the rear up with those adjustments to help create more swingarm angle.

Patrick at Motorcycles Unlimited has set up my bike, and it's working phenominally (sp?). call him up, he'll do you right. 281-444-0545
__________________
www.facebook.com/HouseOfPaintDesigns
Follow us on Instagram @hopdesigns

Custom Paint, Powdercoating, and Collision repair (Cars and bikes)[/b]
houseofpaint is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2009, 06:40 PM   #35
cdill35
717
 
cdill35's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Cypress
Feedback Rating: (5)
Posts: 9,599

Experience: 10+ years
Trackdays: 10+

Bike(s):
2014 Phoenix 921 Pro XP w/ Merc 250 ProXS
11 Yam Zuma 125
Specialized Stumpy







Quote:
Originally Posted by houseofpain View Post
Original Question.....TRAXXION AK20's in the front, and PENSKE rear shock. I've had ohlins 25mil cartridges in the front, and Ohlins shock in the rear in the past.....but it's not easy to get those Ohlins setup. traxxion/penske is easier to setup, but require more service than the ohlins.



2006+ gsxr 6/750 needs more ground clearance, needs more swingarm angle, and needs more trail (distance from front to back wheel, which increases/decreases turn in and stability mid corner).

only lifting the front end will not do what you want. you must also shim the rear shock (if you are using a stocker), if you have an aftermarket, they have ride height adjustment......and you will need to raise the rear up with those adjustments to help create more swingarm angle.

Patrick at Motorcycles Unlimited has set up my bike, and it's working phenominally (sp?). call him up, he'll do you right. 281-444-0545


My bike is at Motorcycles Unlimited now, went ahead and did the fork extension. Lift 10mm, I think? 07 750. I am going with (for money's sake cuz I aint rich) race tech internals, with the extensions and ohlins rear (lower line ohlins) of course, I am 245lbs.

Of course, the work begins AFTER the engine gets a clean bill of health.

woo hoo! lost 5lbs.

Last edited by cdill35; 02-17-2009 at 06:43 PM.
cdill35 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2009, 06:45 PM   #36
Gabe
Senior Member
 
Gabe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Denton, Tx
Feedback Rating: (9)
Posts: 963

Experience: 10+ years
Trackdays: 10+

Bike(s):
z50, ZX6R, Bianchi









Its been Penske and Traxxion for me. Jim Cambora has always done great work for us.
-thanks Gabe
Gabe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2009, 08:21 PM   #37
Brian f.
Senior Member
 
Brian f.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: OKC weekends, Fort Worth weekdays
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 494

Trackdays: 10+

Bike(s):
06 CRF450 Tard FOR SALE!!!!!!
2007 1000RR
K8 750 Track bike
Racecar 8.02 @ 169 FOR SALE, not for faint of heart






A bit off topic here, but.............................how about a recomendation for a good suspension man in DFW area?? Would love to take to Patrick since you guys speak so highly of him, but im not really wanting to drive down to Houston area
Brian f. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2009, 09:11 PM   #38
Gabe
Senior Member
 
Gabe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Denton, Tx
Feedback Rating: (9)
Posts: 963

Experience: 10+ years
Trackdays: 10+

Bike(s):
z50, ZX6R, Bianchi









Jim Cambora of Raceworx 817-473-8884. His shop was at MSR but he just moved it closer too his house. Its in the south Arlington area. Look at the CMRA results page and youll see Raceworx listed on several riders sponsor list. He does great work and is very knowledgeable. He is slow to return calls but its well worth the wait.
-Gabe
Gabe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2009, 09:31 PM   #39
Jerran V
Senior Member
 
Jerran V's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Med Center
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 475

Experience: 10+ years
Trackdays: 10+

Bike(s):
2006 GSXR 1000









Quote:
Originally Posted by Hooligan View Post
I'm pretty much done with the bike except for suspension.
What do you racers recommend for me? I weigh 150lb and ride and 06 gsxr600 trackbike






-Thanks
I recommend you workout and eat more...Jesus...150? What are you, 12?



kidding homie...
Jerran V is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2009, 02:48 AM   #40
houseofpaint
PM for BESTPRICE on parts
 
houseofpaint's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Spring, TX
Feedback Rating: (7)
Posts: 9,486

Experience: 10+ years
Trackdays: 10+

Bike(s):
2010 Yamaha R1 racebike
2012 GSXR750 Racebike
2003 DRZ125 semiflattracker


Member Garage





Send a message via AIM to houseofpaint
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian f. View Post
A bit off topic here, but.............................how about a recomendation for a good suspension man in DFW area?? Would love to take to Patrick since you guys speak so highly of him, but im not really wanting to drive down to Houston area
+1 to gabe's reply....since you're near the dallas area, take it to jim cambora (raceworx)
__________________
www.facebook.com/HouseOfPaintDesigns
Follow us on Instagram @hopdesigns

Custom Paint, Powdercoating, and Collision repair (Cars and bikes)[/b]
houseofpaint is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Advertisement


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:23 PM.


MotoHouston.com is not responsible for the content posted by users.
Privacy Policy