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Old 02-16-2009, 01:05 PM   #41
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Old 02-16-2009, 01:09 PM   #42
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riding with a timer its just a way to better equate the efficiency of changes you make to your bike, riding methods, ect. throughout the day.
not at a newbie level....
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Old 02-16-2009, 02:40 PM   #44
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riding with a timer its just a way to better equate the efficiency of changes you make to your bike, riding methods, ect. throughout the day.
gee... thanks for clearin that up for me. i had no idea what they were really intended for. i thought they were just there for bragging rights
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no problem. thats what im here for.
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Old 03-01-2009, 02:34 PM   #47
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Sub one minute is quick, and running middle 50s, like 55s, is cooking nicely.
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Novice pace is around 1:15-1:30, Intermediate is around 1:05-1:15 and Advanced is :55-1:00 (some of those guys may be faster now)

Well, seeing is believing. I went out to GSS today, just to watch. Granted there was traffic, but I didnt see anyone running remotely close to sub 1:00, let alone :55. The advance pace was 1:05ish all the way to 1:15ish (maybe more) I am sure the times dropped as the day went on (i watched to the 3rd session) but I do not believe the advanced pace at a track day is 55-1:00. As a matter of fact, I now KNOW it is not. 1:05 and you're passing most of the field.

And I know race pace is different.
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As a matter of fact, I now KNOW it is not.

And I know race pace is different.
Then you must right. One cold day with a slick track makes it so, huh?

But I've seen middle 50s, so I KNOW it can be done, thus I guess we cancel each other out.
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Then you must right. One cold day with a slick track makes it so, huh?

But I've seen middle 50s, so I KNOW it can be done, thus I guess we cancel each other out.
Oh, I know it can be done. And maybe I didnt pose the question clearly. I was asking advanced track day times and I got answered with :55-1:00. I even got a detailed breakdown from Pre-K.

What I am saying is that :55-1:00 is not what the majority or even 20%, of an advanced grid, at a track day (excluding LSTD cuz I have never been to one), are running.

Bottom line, it doesnt matter anyway. If you went by those lap times, you have 3 people in advanced. Tops.

And I'm not questioning your knowledge. I respect your experience and opinions. Mostly.
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And maybe I didnt pose the question clearly. I was asking advanced track day times and I got answered with :55-1:00. I even got a detailed breakdown from Pre-K.
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Indeed. I don't think I read your question correctly. Advanced group average pace is not middle 50s; it is probably, like you said, about 10 seconds per lap slower. I wasn't referring to advanced group average pace with my original answer -- I was talking about those top 10 percenters.
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Indeed. I don't think I read your question correctly. Advanced group average pace is not middle 50s; it is probably, like you said, about 10 seconds per lap slower. I wasn't referring to advanced group average pace with my original answer -- I was talking about those top 10 percenters.
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Well, seeing is believing. I went out to GSS today, just to watch. Granted there was traffic, but I didnt see anyone running remotely close to sub 1:00, let alone :55. The advance pace was 1:05ish all the way to 1:15ish (maybe more) I am sure the times dropped as the day went on (i watched to the 3rd session) but I do not believe the advanced pace at a track day is 55-1:00. As a matter of fact, I now KNOW it is not. 1:05 and you're passing most of the field.

And I know race pace is different.
yeah, I was about to say something when someone said that sub 1:00 pace was a decent advanced pace. Today was my first time running a lap timer at GSS and I ran a few 1:07's and a lot of 1:08's in advanced and there were only a few ppl that passed me...and I don't think they were running 10+ seconds faster per lap. Not saying it's not possible, but I'd really like to see what it looks like to run those kinda times.
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yeah, I was about to say something when someone said that sub 1:00 pace was a decent advanced pace. Today was my first time running a lap timer at GSS and I ran a few 1:07's and a lot of 1:08's in advanced and there were only a few ppl that passed me...and I don't think they were running 10+ seconds faster per lap. Not saying it's not possible, but I'd really like to see what it looks like to run those kinda times.
I can see the guys that race running sub 1's (I know Alonzo had to be running sub minutes or close to it), but an advanced pace was most definitely in the 1:00-1:10 mark. I wasn't running a LT, but I'm guessing I was running near the 1:05 mark based on a few stop watch timers from the sidelines.

I don't think lap times are the "end all" of how you make that bump to advanced, although it most definitely plays a roll. I think your ability to maintain a smooth line, without being spooked by passers plays a roll as well. , Intermediate was full yesterday and Advanced was kinda light so a buddy of mine rode in Advanced. I'm sure his times were more like 1:15, but he is comfortable in traffic and being passed. I think there is more than just speed skills when it comes to being bumped from one group to another (being smooth, predictable, and speed combined).

Back on topic, I'm happy with 1:05's
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I have to admit that Alonzo and some of the LMS/TTD crew were killing the track at the end of the day.

As far as laptimes, I think the advanced group ranged from about 1:00 to 1:10 mark with a couple of exceptions. I second what Dbuck stated above me.
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who cares about lap timers.....just go out and put the hammer down.

if someone says "i was doing 1:50's at TWS (Texas World Speedway)" and you go railing by them......and they ask what is your lap time....you reply with "something better than 1:50 cuz i just whooped that out there"
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who cares about lap timers.....just go out and put the hammer down.

if someone says "i was doing 1:50's at TWS (Texas World Speedway)" and you go railing by them......and they ask what is your lap time....you reply with "something better than 1:50 cuz i just whooped that out there"
sounds familiar
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who cares about lap timers.....just go out and put the hammer down.

if someone says "i was doing 1:50's at TWS (Texas World Speedway)" and you go railing by them......and they ask what is your lap time....you reply with "something better than 1:50 cuz i just whooped that out there"

The only reason I am so interested in lap times is because I run one AND I am doing a few races this year. I like to compare lap times at race pace, to what I am running at Track Days. That way I will know if I am going to come in last, or second to last.

I understand the reasoning behind not focusing on lap times. I am just excited about racing and lap times are the only way for me to get an idea of what to expect.
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race pace is always faster than TD times. race laps are faster than practice laps too. you gotta compare apples to apoles. look at the cmra board if you want real race lap times.
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race pace is always faster than TD times. race laps are faster than practice laps too. you gotta compare apples to apoles. look at the cmra board if you want real race lap times.
I think he's referring to doing just that. Comparing his trackday times to race result times from the cmra website.
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I think he's referring to doing just that. Comparing his trackday times to race result times from the cmra website.
still not a good comparison though because he will be faster in a race. It is a baseline, but not a comparison.
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