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Old 02-13-2009, 10:15 AM   #61
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i agree with you brett, you do set out to change your ways or maybe the way you ride after a death but i agree as time goes on you go back to old habits.
so i don't think actually SEEING it has any bearing on it. I don't even think it has to be someone you know. I have seen the results of many motorycle crashes and I still remember them. i remember hearing of some that i never saw and i remember those. some people just handle it differently... some see it so much that they may become desensitized to it, or it makes a lasting difference. it comes down to the person and how they see life. seeing or hearing about it makes no difference because in the end, someones son or daughter, brother or sister, huband or wife, mom or dad, is still gone
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And how is this thread any different from Ed's?

I never saw one post he made that stated it felt the rider was at fault. He made no disrespectful remarks toward the rider. All he did was ask us to all stop and think about how we choose to ride on the street. This thread does the same thing his did. Draws attention to the riders death.
She has a point.
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Old 02-13-2009, 10:47 AM   #63
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I have seen 3. One at asi, one on beltway after hitting the concrete wall and another with mattL at the 45/west rd stunt spot 4 years ago. Sadly we have this one on mini dv tape.


ALL WERE FROM STUPIDITY AND RIDER RIDING WELL ABOVE THEIR SKILL LEVEL
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People handle situations differently. I can agree with that. For ME, seeing it, going to a funeral, knowing the person on a personal level had a much larger impact on me, than reading a news article or a RIP thread.

Am I just way the off on this line of thinking? Ami crazy? Are some of you "normal" and I'm the "abnormal" one?

I mentioned the "point" of this thread back on pg 1.

Report the thread, and have it locked or deleted if you think it's wrong. Personally, the tact in which the circumstances around fallen riders are adressed baffles me. And it means one of two things, or both to me:

1. You have never been touched by the passing of a rider, on a personal level, or..

2. You have no respect for life.
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Old 02-13-2009, 10:59 AM   #66
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We saw a guy in England low side in the rain, headfirst into the curb.

I don't know if he survived, but he looked pretty rough when we left the scene.

I saw four guys in Baytown a couple years ago drive off the side of Bayway Dr. into the culvert. They hit a driveway crossing head on and it killed them all.
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So if someone questions the circumstance or actions in which some accidents occur then that person has no respect for life? You can't greive for someone you read about in a RIP thread unless you know them personally? A total strangers story can not affect you on a deep level like that of a loved one? That is the point I am trying to make.

I personally do not see how it is disrepectful to question ones actions after an accident. It is how people learn from situations. I makes the loss of a rider no less tragic if it I proven that the rider was acting a dumda** or not. That persons family and friends still lost a love one.
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Did u vote?
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So if someone questions the circumstance or actions in which some accidents occur then that person has no respect for life? You can't greive for someone you read about in a RIP thread unless you know them personally? A total strangers story can not affect you on a deep level like that of a loved one? That is the point I am trying to make.

I personally do not see how it is disrepectful to question ones actions after an accident. It is how people learn from situations. I makes the loss of a rider no less tragic if it I proven that the rider was acting a dumda** or not. That persons family and friends still lost a love one.
Cdill, what's your take on her comment? You agree?
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So if someone questions the circumstance or actions in which some accidents occur then that person has no respect for life? You can't greive for someone you read about in a RIP thread unless you know them personally? A total strangers story can not affect you on a deep level like that of a loved one? That is the point I am trying to make.

I personally do not see how it is disrepectful to question ones actions after an accident. It is how people learn from situations. I makes the loss of a rider no less tragic if it I proven that the rider was acting a dumda** or not. That persons family and friends still lost a love one.
I don't disagree with you. I'm not sure who you are directing your comments to.

But yes, I think that questions charged with personal agendas are didrespectful. Its all in the presentation of the question.
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I don't disagree with you. I'm not sure who you are directing your comments to.

But yes, I think that questions charged with personal agendas are didrespectful. Its all in the presentation of the question.
Where do you draw the line between someones personal agenda and someones concern for the safety of others?
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I don't disagree with you. I'm not sure who you are directing your comments to.

But yes, I think that questions charged with personal agendas are didrespectful. Its all in the presentation of the question.
if you are referencing Racer X's thread... i don't think there was a "personal" agenda there. he was posing a question in regards to safety and the group's riding style and their choices.
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I don't know dude. It's a poll to help me better understand why people behave the way they do.
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I don't disagree with you. I'm not sure who you are directing your comments to.

But yes, I think that questions charged with personal agendas are didrespectful. Its all in the presentation of the question.
I am not directing anything at anyone. I am just asking questions to get a feel for peoples opinions.


But I will ask you something directly Brandt. I will reference Ed's thread from yesterday since it is still fresh in our minds. Do you think his thread had a personal agenda? If so how?
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I don't know dude. It's a poll to help me better understand why people behave the way they do.
Fair enough.
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I don't know dude. It's a poll to help me better understand why people behave the way they do.
i still don't see what you are trying to see by this poll? maybe i just don't understand the first post.
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if you are referencing Racer X's thread... i don't think there was a "personal" agenda there. he was posing a question in regards to safety and the group's riding style and their choices.
I can agree with that, I think where that thread crossed the line was were it all but blamed directly those who supposedly ran for the accident and for what happened to the victim.

I agree that anytime a death occurs there is questions to be asked, it should be examined and it should be a learning opportunity for others. For most people though, to bring up the question immediately makes you the enemy, regardless of how you phrase it or ask it. There is learning to be done from any accident, death or not. Just my 2 cents.
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i still don't see what you are trying to see by this poll? maybe i just don't understand the first post.
I think for this poll to help understand anything it would have to be alot more than just yes or no. This poll just gives us a percentage of people who have first hand witnessed a biker die on scene. It doesn't go into whether or not that changed a persons perspectives one way or another.
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I am not directing anything at anyone. I am just asking questions to get a feel for peoples opinions.


But I will ask you something directly Brandt. I will reference Ed's thread from yesterday since it is still fresh in our minds. Do you think his thread had a personal agenda? If so how?
Hmmmm....

Well, considering that the thread was posted so shortly after the incident, while the group was still in shock, and to probe for a someone to place responsibilty on...I think it was in poor taste and inconsiderate. Not to the fallen rider per se, but to the mourning group, yes.

Me and Ed are E-aight, but come on, everyone knows his agenda.

There, I took the bait! Lol
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I have seen many accidents and have known several that have passed from MC accidents. But this is a motorcycle forum and I don't see anything wrong with trying to educate people on the results of their actions. Those who are close to the individual will always take it personally...just the way it is. Just like talking about the war. If your loved one gave their life..you will take the discussions in a different light. But we still need to realize that we are not superman and that our actions have an effect on others. We may not be the person that is killed because of our stupidity, but if someone else dies should we feel responsible?? We should remember that just because we are on two wheels doesn't make our life any more important than the cager riding next to us. Live and Learn.
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