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View Poll Results: With my own eyes, I have seen a motorcyclist pass.
YES 67 31.16%
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Old 02-13-2009, 08:22 AM   #41
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Old 02-13-2009, 08:39 AM   #42
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And how is this thread any different from Ed's?

I never saw one post he made that stated it felt the rider was at fault. He made no disrespectful remarks toward the rider. All he did was ask us to all stop and think about how we choose to ride on the street. This thread does the same thing his did. Draws attention to the riders death.
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Old 02-13-2009, 08:40 AM   #43
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Forgot to vote, answer is yes.
249 and Grant, watched what appeared to be an inexperianced rider on a Ultra Classic loose his line turning at the red light and bounced off the side of of a panel van that was going straight. I was one of the first people to call 911.
EMS worked on him for a while before they gave up.
Can't help but thinking that a hemlet might have saved his life. Even a skid lid would have done something.


Your post just seems in contrast to the point of your thread.
I'm just saying...
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Old 02-13-2009, 08:53 AM   #44
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Old 02-13-2009, 08:54 AM   #45
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I am not referring to Ed's thread. Nor have I mentioned any fallen riders name. Don't make the thread personal and it will be fine.

Did u vote?
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Old 02-13-2009, 09:38 AM   #46
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Yes I voted! But honestly I don't see the point. What is the difference in seeing someone dead on the road or dead in a coffin? Does seeing one on the road make them more dead? Does it de value the lose because you did watch them die? Are the any less gone?
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Old 02-13-2009, 09:45 AM   #47
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Yes I voted! But honestly I don't see the point. What is the difference in seeing someone dead on the road or dead in a coffin? Does seeing one on the road make them more dead? Does it de value the lose because you did watch them die? Are the any less gone?
Mama is right. What difference does it make? I personally would NEVER want to witness the death in real time. It would forever be embedded in my head. That wouldnt be how i'd want to remember them.
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Old 02-13-2009, 09:45 AM   #48
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Ive seen a few and at the same time Ive seen myself almost die a few times also.
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used to ride with my dad in the back of the ambulance... I've seen my share of motorcycle fatalities.... not seen it happen, but seen the body on the road 100 yards from the motorcycle... decapitated riders... riders in the back of pickups.... I still don't see your point in this thread. there is always something to learn from almost every accident... I think that is what Raxer X was trying to do. Just make you think about your actions. your actions may have an impact on the person behind you
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Old 02-13-2009, 09:50 AM   #50
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Mama is right. What difference does it make? I personally would NEVER want to witness the death in real time. It would forever be embedded in my head. That wouldnt be how i'd want to remember them.
well there you go....thats the difference. real time vs at the funeral. real time is embedded forever along with all the graphic detail.
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well there you go....thats the difference. real time vs at the funeral. real time is embedded forever along with all the graphic detail.
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Yep, it's tough... Don't ever wish to see such a thing again. It's the most painful thing ever, especially when it's someone you were laughing with just moments before.
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Yep, it's tough... Don't ever wish to see such a thing again. It's the most painful thing ever, especially when it's someone you were laughing with just moments before.

i agree with you on that.
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i don't think real time is embedded forever.... evryone remembers the death but as time goes on you become desensitized to it... you may slow down for a little while after a death but eventually, you are right back to how you were before the death.
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Old 02-13-2009, 10:03 AM   #55
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well there you go....thats the difference. real time vs at the funeral. real time is embedded forever along with all the graphic detail.
April I am so sorry for your loss


I watched my 5 year old cousin die after being hit by a truck getting off the school bus. It was hard but it was no harder than losing others that I loved just because I saw it. It is an individual thing. I have lost others that I did not witness that was harder on me. So I don't see the point of this thread.
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Old 02-13-2009, 10:04 AM   #56
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i was riding to work one monday morning last fall and i just happened to roll up on a fatal accident scene. motorcycle vs tree. alcohol involved and investigators never did find out if there was another vehicle involved. i take that route to work almost every day and i can still see the gashes in the street that the frame/engine tore into the concrete as well as the makeshift memorial that was constructed on the tree that he struck.

the accident happened a few hours before i rode by so i voted no.
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Old 02-13-2009, 10:05 AM   #57
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I have, twice in my life, two times too many.....

Unfortunately I've lost count of how many riders I've seen go down and get seriously injured, both on and off track.

It's one of the reasons I no longer ride in the large group rides, preferring instead to ride with a small group of like minded riders.
It's also difficult for me to try to "preach" on how to ride, because up till a few years ago, I rode VERY aggressively on the street.

I had my own epiphany a few years back.
While I've always tried to recommend to riders to ride within their own limits, I also am aware that everyone is their own person and will have to live, or not, with the consequences of their actions.

My biggest fear is that an innocent bystander may get hurt in the process.

For myself, I have toned it down a bunch.

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i don't think real time is embedded forever.... evryone remembers the death but as time goes on you become desensitized to it... you may slow down for a little while after a death but eventually, you are right back to how you were before the death.
i agree with you brett, you do set out to change your ways or maybe the way you ride after a death but i agree as time goes on you go back to old habits.

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April I am so sorry for your lose.


I watched my 5 year old cousin die after being hit by a truck getting off the school bus. It was hard but it was no harder than losing others that I loved just because I saw it. It is an individual thing. I have lost others that I did not witness that was harder on me. So I don't see the point of this thread.
candie you are also right....i agree to it being an individual thing. everyone handles death and situations differently. some people never get over it and some move on normally. some are not effected by what they see and for some it effects their whole life. i can see both sides of this. im sorry bout your cousin.
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