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Old 02-15-2009, 10:18 PM   #41
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Ah, I get it. That was a kawasaki.org website. The official Kawasaki site has these specs for the 250r...

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Engine Type Four-stroke, liquid-cooled, DOHC, parallel twin
Displacement 249 cc
Bore & Stroke 62.0 x 41.2mm
Maximum Torque 22 Nm (2.24 kgf/m) 16.2 lb-ft/9,500 rpm
Compression Ratio 11.6:1
Carburetor Keihin CVK30 x 2
Ignition Digital
Transmission 6-Speed
Final Drive O-Ring Chain
Cooling Liquid
Frame Semi-double cradle, high-tensile steel
Rake/Trail 26 degrees / 3.2 in.
Front Tire Size 110/70-17
Rear Tire Size 130/70-17
Wheelbase 55.1 in.
Front Suspension / wheel travel 37mm hydraulic telescopic fork / 4.7 in.
Rear Suspension / wheel travel Bottom-Link Uni-Trak® with 5-way adjustable preload / 5.1 in.
Front Brake Type Single 290mm hydraulic disc with two-piston caliper
Rear Brake Single 220mm petal disc with two-piston caliper
Fuel Tank Capacity 4.8 gal.
Seat Height 30.5 in.
Curb Weight 374 lbs.
Overall length 82.1 in.
Overall width 28.1 in.
Overall height 43.7 in.
Color Metallic Diablo Black, Sunbeam Red, Candy Thunder Blue, Special Edition Lime Green / Metallic Diablo Black
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Old 02-15-2009, 10:19 PM   #42
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And this for their 600...

Engine Type Four-stroke, liquid-cooled, DOHC, four valves per cylinder, inline-four
Displacement 599 cc
Bore x Stroke 67.0 x 42.5mm
Maximum Torque 66.7 Nm {6.8 kgf/m} 49.1 lb-ft @ 11,800 rpm
Compression Ratio 13.3:1
Fuel Injection DFI® with four 38mm Keihin throttle bodies, oval sub-throttles, two injectors per throttle body
Ignition TCBI with digital advance
Transmission 6-Speed
Final Drive X-Ring Chain
Rake/Trail 24 deg / 4.0 in.
Frame type Aluminum perimeter
Front Tire Size 120/70-ZR17
Rear Tire Size 180/55-ZR17
Wheelbase 55.1 in.
Front Suspension / wheel travel 41 mm inverted Showa Big Piston Front fork with top-out springs, stepless compression and rebound damping, fully-adjustable spring preload / 4.7 in.
Rear Suspension / wheel travel Bottom-Link Uni-Trak® with gas-charged shock, top-out spring and pillow ball upper mount, dual-range (high/low-speed) stepless compression damping, 25-way adjustable rebound damping, fully-adjustable spring preload / 5.3 in.
Front Brake Type Dual 300mm petal rotors with dual radial-mounted, four-piston, four-pad calipers
Rear Brake Type Single 220mm petal rotor with single-piston caliper
Fuel Tank Capacity 4.5 gal.
Seat Height 32.1 in.
Curb Weight 421.1 lbs.
Color Lime Green, Metallic Diablo Black / Flat Super Black, Candy Surf Blue / Flat Super Black
Warranty 12 months
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no way, most people tell me i need a 250 because its "lighter"
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Old 02-15-2009, 10:26 PM   #44
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no way, most people tell me i need a 250 because its "lighter"
Yes, it is lighter than the 600 ninja by 50 lbs and the 1000 by 75 lbs. Joe and I both stumbled upon a website with weight data that differs from the actual kawasaki site.

Joe, btw, I said I'd like to RIDE one on the track. Not own one. Ba ha ha ha.
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It feels way lighter, not sure but I,ve been told 305lbs.
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the only problem is i whent to 5 dealerships and no one had a 250! they kept telling me they were hard to come by, and im a little apprehensive about buying one from just anyone
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It feels way lighter, not sure but I,ve been told 305lbs.
The kawa site says 374 for the 250r and 421 for the 600. I suspect those are wet weights. So, 325 or so dry is probably a good guess.
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the only problem is i whent to 5 dealerships and no one had a 250! they kept telling me they were hard to come by, and im a little apprehensive about buying one from just anyone
I'd bet that if you asked for some help on the board, there are some guys that would be more than willing to assist in finding a good, used 250r. Of course, you'd have to separate the leg humpers from the knowledgeable guys. Ba ha ha ha. I know nothing about 250s.
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OK I see the error. Either way. It doesn't change that with a few modifications you could turn a 600 into a comparably weighted bike to a stock 250r. When it then comes down to power/weight ratio I would stick with the 600. Unless you enjoyed wringing the 250's neck all over the track, and getting buzzed at every straight.

AND factor in the brakes and suspension, it is really a no brainer (as far as a track bike)

Now a GP250, totally different discussion.
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I see your point. I'd still like to ride one on the track. It'd be fun.
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OK I see the error. Either way. It doesn't change that with a few modifications you could turn a 600 into a comparably weighted bike to a stock 250r. When it then comes down to power/weight ratio I would stick with the 600. Unless you enjoyed wringing the 250's neck all over the track, and getting buzzed at every straight.

AND factor in the brakes and suspension, it is really a no brainer (as far as a track bike)

Now a GP250, totally different discussion.
HAve you ever rode one on the track.
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No. Why would I waste my time? Considering my weight 250lbs, it would be like a monkey fing a footballbat. Now If I were a skinny boy like Hooligan, maybe I would consider it.
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No. Why would I waste my time? Considering my weight 250lbs, it would be like a monkey fing a footballbat. Now If I were a skinny boy like Hooligan, maybe I would consider it.
I rode Larry Meyers motard on the track. So light... what a hoot. And gutless too. So much fun.
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I rode Larry Meyers motard on the track. So light... what a hoot. And gutless too. So much fun.
Totally different beast. That bike has plenty of suspension. Also I'm sure upgraded brakes. Sure lighter is better. BTW what were your times on the motard?
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His Aprilia 450 is about 280 lbs dry and 70 hp, before the pipe and ecu tuning he had done. Talk about tossable. I think the suspension was stock, however.

Lap times? No idea. However, I did pass a few people in the advanced run group. Ba ha ha ha. It couldn't have been much faster than 2 flat or so.
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His Aprilia 450 is about 280 lbs dry and 70 hp, before the pipe and ecu tuning he had done. Talk about tossable. I think the suspension was stock, however.

Lap times? No idea. However, I did pass a few people in the advanced run group. Ba ha ha ha. It couldn't have been much faster than 2 flat or so.

Right that is 2x the amount of horsepower and almost 70lbs lighter, and way more suspension (I doubt you were bottoming it out) Think about it, that thing has dirtbike suspension.

Depending on the source, at crank it is about 35hp (I've seen reports of everywhere between 32 adn 36, with most being close to 34-35). At wheel is somewhere closer to 24hp.

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Joe, you are seriously hating on the 250. Appreciate that you are talking to a man who would race a freaking riding lawnmower. It's ALL FUN!!
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Why would this be such a great track bike for anyone? At stock it is heavier than a 600, has less braking, less suspension, and way down on power. This whole idea makes NO SENSE!!

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cuz just like go karts, you learn to carry corner speed vs using HP. just like YSR's.


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