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Old 02-06-2009, 01:15 PM   #1
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just ordered headers...question

I have an '07 R6 and I just ordered MJS Race Headers.... and I'm also going to order an M4 slip on.

After I put these two on, do I need to get my bike tuned? Should I go ahead and get PCIII now and do it all at the same time?

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Old 02-06-2009, 01:26 PM   #2
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and not PC3, or both?
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just the bazzaz, it costs more but is so much better.
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anyone that says you HAVE to get a piggy back system or that PCIII bullshit is a complete fu<ktard. you dont need it.
While it's true you can tune a stock ECU, you can get a "finer" tune with a PCIII or Bazazz unit.

To the OP, are you sure that your headers are going to work with the M4? Better make sure...
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only stock ECUs that can be tuned are those of the Busa and its a very difficult tune. the tech to do 600 and 750s still doesnt exhist. long story stort for the guy that started the thread. a lot of fools think your engine will explode of do some stupid without fuel management. these idiots are wrong.
1slocbr, I don't know where you are getting your information, but you are incorrect. Teka makes a great stock ECU tuner. Further, you continue to steer people away from bazzaz or PCMs on bikes after they have purchased full race exhaust. When they make that change they need should get either a Teka map of the stock ECU or a Power Commander or PCM to get the horsepower out of the engine. Will they blow up their motors without a tune? No. Will the engine be underperforming? Absolutely. Why spend all the dollars for exhaust and airfilters only to leave 5% or more of the horsepower unclaimed?

Info on the Teka stock ECU tuner for Suzuki http://www.factorypro.com/index.htm

The Teka SFI 2 Suzuki Fuel Injection tuner works on:

* gsxr 600, 01-09
* gsxr 750, 98-09
* gsxr1000, 01-09
* gsx1300r Busa, all years
* B King, 08-09
* sv650, 03-09
* sv1000, 03-09
* TL1000r, all years
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* M109r (works GREAT on 109's!) and many other street Suzuki's

I've also heard of similar tools for Honda and Yamaha.
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only stock ECUs that can be tuned are those of the Busa and its a very difficult tune. the tech to do 600 and 750s still doesnt exhist. long story stort for the guy that started the thread. a lot of fools think your engine will explode of do some stupid without fuel management. these idiots are wrong.
Dude, you're wrong here. My dyno-guy tunes all kinds of bikes on the stock ECU. We just tuned a '09 KX450 on the stock ECU day before yesterday. He just got done tuning my GSXR last week too.

I think I know where you're going with this, but there are all kinds of stock ECU's that can be tuned. The only problem is that they are tuned in groups rather than each segment of the map. The PCIII and Bazazz give you the ability to tune each segment.
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Dude, you're wrong here. My dyno-guy tunes all kinds of bikes on the stock ECU. We just tuned a '09 KX450 on the stock ECU day before yesterday. He just got done tuning my GSXR last week too.

I think I know where you're going with this, but there are all kinds of stock ECU's that can be tuned. The only problem is that they are tuned in groups rather than each segment of the map. The PCIII and Bazazz give you the ability to tune each segment.
Sounds like Tom did his homework Thanks tom

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yea and to add to the deff!

if you open up the air comeing in and the air going out , yes you gain hp, and no the motor will not blow but you run a risk of pos burning your valves, and as stated why spend the money on the perf parst if you not going to tune and get the most out of them!
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yea and to add to the deff!

if you open up the air comeing in and the air going out , yes you gain hp, and no the motor will not blow but you run a risk of pos burning your valves, and as stated why spend the money on the perf parst if you not going to tune and get the most out of them!
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1+ go with some type of tune and try to do them around the same time. Whenever you remove the factory "cat" on that bike you are gonna change the flow a lot.
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I did, you can see that I posted in that thread, and Alan is wrong (to a point). You CAN flash a stock ECU, and it IS possible to get a decent map from a stock ECU. Not all bikes, but a lot of 'em. I've seen it, been there when it was done, and had it personally done to my own bike. As I mentioned earlier in this thread, it's the way it's tuned. On the stock ECU, currently, you can only tune groups instead of the individual segments. I hear there are some guys that can tune the individual segments, but my tuner isn't crazy about doing that because you have to jump wires and crack the case. He doesn't want any liability for electrical issues or failures.

He CAN tune the stock ECU on a lot of bikes, and I'll ask him exactly which ones he can do if you're interested, but I know for a FACT that he can do the stock GSXR ECU's
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idk where are youuuuu are getting your info but you are incorrect. just put a full Leo on my bike. check out what the man himself says on his website.

"SBK full systems provide a fully-optimized header and canister design. They offer substantial weight savings, increased horsepower and are engineered to run at peak efficiency with stock jetting or fuel injection settings. Canisters are available in titanium, or carbon fiber. "

http://www.leovinceusa.com/sbk/sbk_fullsystems.php
Then by by a Leo pipe and install it without remapping. I don't believe it, but then again, I don't have to either. I have a tuner I can trust.
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now it is a nobrainer that a PCIII will get you more hp but it makes me want to hurt small animals when people say you HAVE to run that boolshit on a full system or your continuum transfunctioner will malfunction and inhibit your bikes gyroscopic precession causing it to fall over at 88mph. i could map a PCIII on a stock bike and get power gains but i have seen more so many problems with them that i dont use them anymore. most people dont need that extra 3hp on the street, they need MSF and some track time.

Curt and Tom, you guys are both aces in my book but until you find me someone that will flash a 600 ECU, stfu.

...using a piggyback tuner is not tuning a ECU btw.
With the CBR600RR? I'll ask for you.

I'm with you. I love seeing $2k exhausts and bling on bikes with the rider wearing an old azz helmet and no gear with bald tires.

I'll always steer someone to getting a slip on instead of a full system to avoid the tuning.

If yall want to get a stock ECU tuned, check with the local shops that do dyno tuning, they'll tell you what they can and can't do. Can't stress enough too that you should go with a dyno tuner that knows WTF they're doing, simply owning a dyno doesn't give them that... they may think they can though...
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"SBK full systems provide a fully-optimized header and canister design. They offer substantial weight savings, increased horsepower and are engineered to run at peak efficiency with stock jetting or fuel injection settings. Canisters are available in titanium, or carbon fiber. "

http://www.leovinceusa.com/sbk/sbk_fullsystems.php
Oh, I understand. You meant a Leo Vince. I thought you were referring to a GOOD RACING EXHAUST. Ba ha ha ha ha. I'll bet Two Bros doesn't need a PCM either.
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