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Old 02-01-2009, 07:47 PM   #1
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Another Safety Wire Question!

So I am deep in safety wiring, well more of drill-break a drill bit-drill-break a drill bit-drill-break a drill bit. Anywho, I have the calipers, oil filter (with hose clamp), oil drain plug, oil filler cap, radiator filler cap, and some other stuff.. I am sure that "grumpy" will fail me but I think it looks decent. I will post some pics tomorrow.

I see on the list the axles need wired too! How does one do this correctly? On rear, chain side I think I could drill all the way through the axle bolt and axle and use a cotter pin type setup. The other side I am not so sure.

The front I could drill the front axle retainer bolts (not sure what you actually call these but they are the bolts that screw into the axle to ensure it doesn't back off) and wire those two bolts very much like the caliper bolts. I just don't see anything you could do with the front axle itself?

Anyone have pictures of the front / rear axles safety wired correctly?
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Old 02-01-2009, 08:33 PM   #2
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wire the axle bolt to the pinch bolts,hope that works cuz thats all i did.
i sprayed WD-40 while drilling and it saved me quite a bit of grief...
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Don't worry about Kevin, I am going to fail you.

Stand by for pix. In the meantime, PM me your pix of what you have this far and let me critique.
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Give prayers to Kevin, he's laid up right now- but I hear his Wife is bringing a lap top to him!

When I get home, I'll get some pics, but as an idea, I'll try to explain a bit:

On the rear axle, it should have holes through it already on the nut side of the axle. Line up the castle nut so that the holes line up and use a large "R" clip through the holes. Now, safety wire the "R" clip to a spot on the swingarm that will keep the clip in place. It's very easy.

If your rear axle doesn't have a castle nut or holes through the axle, simply drill the nut and wire like you do the other nuts, securing the wire to the swingarm again. I'd use the safety clips here because wiring/ cutting/ rewiring will get old for every tire change.

For the front, I wire the pinch bolts on the bottom of the forks to each other. There's a really cool trick I learned years ago to use a bicycle cam-lock device off a seat for this, but I'd definitely take pictures to explain.

For the front axle, same deal, I'd use a safety clip to the bolt/ nut (depending on the bike) side of the axle and wire it to a fixed spot.

Does that help?

I'll see if I can find some pics online for you.
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Old 02-01-2009, 10:50 PM   #5
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If you do it properly, and I know that Tom does, then R clips are fine and completely legal in the CMRA. You can use one if you can make sure it pulls tight and doesn't want to pull out of the fastener it is wired to. Drilling through the nut and axle, as Tom explained, is the right way to do it. In any event, if you do use an R clip, make sure it's a stout one.

In my example, I don't use one because, if wired properly, it would tend to want to pull out of the nut and come loose. I would have to wire the R clip shut, and that would negate the purpose of the clip. I could use a spring clip, but in order to be effective, it would have to pull tight enough that it would not have enough slack in the wiring for its reusable purpose to be realized.

Also shown here are the front axle pinch bolts. They are wired together and pull directionally. One is wired to the axle nut, and also pulls directionally, where one side is pulling against the other. It would be optimum if the axle nut was wired to the other pinch bolt hole, however. This is close enough.

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Here is what I have so far.
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What happened to Kevin? Motorcycle related or something else?

In either case hope he gets better soon! Was wanting to meet him at Oak Hill
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In either case hope he gets better soon! Was wanting to meet him at Oak Hill
Kevin had surgery a while back on his neck to fix a long-time nagging issue. He's on the mend and should be at Oak Hill.

Your wiring samples look good, Timme'. Try to close up that one loop a little more on the oil fill to oil pan wiring section if you can next time, but I'd leave it for now as it will work fine.

One general comment about wiring: try to minimize the distance between the two points if you can. It's not always easy (or even possible), but when you can, it's better.
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One general comment about wiring: try to minimize the distance between the two points if you can. It's not always easy (or even possible), but when you can, it's better.
Excellent, I thought about that on these long spots. I didn't see any other spots to A) drill to make a hole B) I could drill C) did I mention i broke like 8 drill bits in an hour or so

Thanks for the help bro! I look forward to meeting you out at oak hill! I can't freaking wait to get out there.....

Oh and the pix above were just what I was looking for. Thanks!
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maybe a sticky with wire jobs is in order............
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Kevin had surgery a while back on his neck to fix a long-time nagging issue. He's on the mend and should be at Oak Hill.
Because someone just asked me in a PM, I probably should be more specific here. Kevin actually went back into the hostpital recently. It's not my job to report someone else's private business here, but he was in ICU as of this past weekend. Even in ICU, he is surprisingly grumpy with visitors, which is a good sign.
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Timme,
Drill the little case cover tab just to the right of the fill cap for a tie off point.
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Drill the little case cover tab just to the right of the fill cap for a tie off point.
Yeah I am gonna try that this afternoon. I need to run to home depot and get some more drill bits But I think I can get the drill in there, that metal is really soft so I don't think it will be a problem.
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Yeah I am gonna try that this afternoon. I need to run to home depot and get some more drill bits But I think I can get the drill in there, that metal is really soft so I don't think it will be a problem.
are you using the carbide bits? i usually just use my cordless low speed drill to do this with the carbide bits, I always buy in bulk but i'm getting better, i did my ktm and finished up godsukis rm with only 2 bits.
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are you using the carbide bits? i usually just use my cordless low speed drill to do this with the carbide bits, I always buy in bulk but i'm getting better, i did my ktm and finished up godsukis rm with only 2 bits.
It was whacky, I did the oil drain bolt and 3 of the caliper bolts with one bit and then broke 3 bits on the last caliper bolt. I got the angle all jacked up and I had a hard time with it. The other stuff was cake.

I am gonna tackle the axles today, fun fun

I do by the carbide bits, I had some others but they would not work I am sure, I don't want to even try them!
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Drill Press makes this SO MUCH easier! Did you saftey wire your Oil Cooler as well? Also on your Caliper, doesnt your breakline banjo bolts have to be wired as well? O,, well,, I did them too just in case..
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