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View Poll Results: Advanced Lap Times at TWS (Texas World Speedway)
Snails Pace 5 7.35%
2:05 - 2:10 3 4.41%
2:00 - 2:05 13 19.12%
1:55 - 2:00 29 42.65%
1:50 - 1:55 12 17.65%
Gods Speed 6 8.82%
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Old 01-22-2009, 12:13 PM   #1
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Advanced Level Pace

Ok it seems my last thread got jacked into a discussion about advanced level lap times.
Since I wanna save that thread and Iím curious about this, letís find out what we think about advanced level minimums.

I know there are a lot of variables that weíll just have to ignore when voting.
Letís just assume the rider can hold a decent race line and doesnít do any weird for no reason. Letís also assume the following.

Weíre at TWS (Texas World Speedway), perfect weather, itís not a race weekend there and thereís a good turnout but not overcrowded.

What kind of lap times do you need to consistently turn to ride in the advanced group?
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Old 01-22-2009, 12:22 PM   #2
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It's not just about lap times, it's about experience and ability on the track. A good rider on a slower bike is less of a danger to himself and others in the advanced group than in the more squidly, less experienced groups. Drawing a line in the sand with lap times isn't wholly the answer here. Just wanna put that out front.

That's cool, I know......
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Some peeps that post "lap time requirements" I wonder if they have a lap timer. Lol

Cuz I know I run an occassional 59 at TWS (Texas World Speedway) and run mid to upper level in advanced sessions with Ride Smart and TTD.

I have no idea where this 55 stuff is coming from.

But yes, it is certainly about more than lap times.

I think some people claim lap times, biut have never seen a timer. I dunno, but I have heard some crazy and witnessed the opposite with my own eyes.

Anyway, if ya have to put a time on it, I say 2:00 - 2:05.
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I think this is too hard to specify as it all depends on who is running in each group for each day.

If you have a large B group and small A group then it would be assumed that bumping up some of the faster & safer guys from B into A in order to promote safety within the B group.

Sometimes the A group may be too fast for this. All depends on too many variables.

I have been out at TWS (Texas World Speedway) running B group with consistent laps around 2:03 to 2:00 over a number of sessions and was doing nothing but passing and at some considerable speed differences sometimes. That would sound like I needed to be in A group. Other days a 2:00 time in B group might have me at mid pack.

Just depends on who's riding that day.
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I have also learned that lap times, are a lot like a golf score. Fluffed a lil.

I like to use the cmra site to compare what top novice and expert racers are running, compared to what people here claim to run.

Helps me weed thru the liars quicker. Lol
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Old 01-22-2009, 12:59 PM   #8
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The pace depends on the group. Some days we have a really fast advance group, and some days a really slow group. Same goes for novice.

This is all subjective however.

Given your parameters though, all things being perfect, I would say mid 50's is a good average pace.
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if you can consistantly go below a 2flat than you can ride in advanced imo.

210-2flat should be intermediate

210+ should be beginner or novice

depending on the group advanced should be even faster than what i posted not slower
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if you can go below a 150 there needs to be a speed level lol
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Anything close to 2min flat and under is advanced TD
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I can post a vid, of me running 2 flats and picking off 1/2 the advanced field at TWS (Texas World Speedway).

I'm just sayin. We're being honest here aren't we? Lol

I haven't done an lstd friday before race weekend. I would imagine it gets crazy!
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I can post a vid, of me running 2 flats and picking off 1/2 the advanced field at TWS (Texas World Speedway).

I'm just sayin. We're being honest here aren't we? Lol

I haven't done an lstd friday before race weekend. I would imagine it gets crazy!
Post it up, id like to see the theory at work
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Post it up, id like to see the theory at work
I'm am mobile right now. I will when I get to my lap top this evening.
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I haven't done an lstd friday before race weekend. I would imagine it gets crazy!
I'll say this....I don't have the to run in the advanced group with LSTD on CMRA race weekends....WAY too many fast guys out there (there is a HUGE difference between Advanced regular trackdays and pre race trackdays). Rubbing elbows? Sure. Rubbing paint? Not my style.
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Here's running 2:10's in intermediate at a TWS (Texas World Speedway) RideSmart event. It was my first time at TWS (Texas World Speedway), albeit I have many laps there in a car... This was in the afternoon and I was passing a good number of folks.

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You should post the run off vid. Those were 2 flats in advanced. And what? 58's for you?

Nvrmind. I think u just posted it.
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Here is running 2:00's in the advanced group with Texas Track Days. Once past the initial group, I didn't see another rider. If I remember correctly, the track was a bit slippery that day.

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I'll say this....I don't have the to run in the advanced group with LSTD on CMRA race weekends....WAY too many fast guys out there (there is a HUGE difference between Advanced regular trackdays and pre race trackdays). Rubbing elbows? Sure. Rubbing paint? Not my style.
Ill bet!!!! Lol. Sounds scary which equals fun!
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