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Old 01-21-2009, 05:37 PM   #1
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What Do You Want From a Track Day Organization?

I’ve noticed that TD prices vary pretty widely depending on the track and track day organization. In a sampling of the big three in our area for the months of March and April I’ve found the “no discounts” cost to range from about $51 to $72 per hour to be out there. This based on 7, 20 min. sessions per day. Fair enough I’d say for what I get out of it. Other important considerations I can think of are schedule convenience, instruction, track preferences, crowds, lack of crowds, rain policy, number and length of sessions, riding with my pals, trackside support and attitudes. They all figure into it.

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What’s most important to you?

Go on, tell'em what you want.
And don't endorse or complain about any of them by name because if you do, they’ll move or kill this thread.
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Easy, more bang for my buck & Date.

I like the 30-30 format with small groups. However they are more costly. Unfortunately only two organizations have that structure and they are track specific.

I don't mind riding if the groups are small, I don't like crowded tracks. For TD not to overcrowd their groups, they make adjustments in the costs, which as I mention I don't mind to pay a little extra if the track is not that crowed.

Finally, I feel more related to one TD organization more than the others because I feel part of the family, know the instructors and the regulars riding with them.
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cheap, pay per lap.

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Kind of hard not to mention names of organizations...but I will try.

1. I like to know, on a personal level, the instructors and riders at the events. There is one org. that I have not rode with, because I do not know anyone there. I know thier screen names, but that's it. I dont see them at meet and greets and I dont see them on weekend rides.

2. I dont like overcrowded grids. If the grids are packed, and I am running into a shitload of traffic with ridiculous passing rules, the price better be cheap. I will not pay upwards of $200.00 and not even be able to get a few clean laps in.

3. The tracks they visit makes a big difference, I will ride with whomever at MSRH and TWS (Texas World Speedway). I love Cresson but don't make every event. If you are at TWS (Texas World Speedway) or MSRH, I will be there.

4. I dont like favoritism. I think every paying customer should be treated the same.

5. I like for instructors and control riders to take control. I dont like to ride in my correct level, with people that dont belong there. Way too much of that goes on, IMO, with one group in particular.

6. Seat time is huge. There is an organization that runs 30/30 at my fav track. Wanna talk about getting some one on one and really improving! I'd gladly pay more than the next person for that kind of time.

7. I'll be racing some this year, so I think the pre race events are sweet.

8. I like for emails and phone calls to be returned. Simple . Sometimes, seems like pulling teeth.

9. Mainly though, I like to see reps from the orgs. in person, out and about. It kind of eliminates that holier thou online persona I sense sometimes. I know that certain, if not all, orgs frown on backroads, spirited street riding, but seriously, there are about 10 of us, that are hooked on the track, because we met reps on those rides. I went to the track, because I wanted to ride twisties like those dudes did. Right or wrong, that is how I got there.

Anyway, but what do I know? Just my humble opinion.
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Easy, more bang for my buck & Date.

I like the 30-30 format with small groups. However they are more costly. Unfortunately only two organizations have that structure and they are track specific.

I don't mind riding if the groups are small, I don't like crowded tracks. For TD not to overcrowd their groups, they make adjustments in the costs, which as I mention I don't mind to pay a little extra if the track is not that crowed.

Finally, I feel more related to one TD organization more than the others because I feel part of the family, know the instructors and the regulars riding with them.
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Kind of hard not to mention names of organizations...but I will try.

1. I like to know, on a personal level, the instructors and riders at the events. There is one org. that I have not rode with, because I do not know anyone there. I know thier screen names, but that's it. I dont see them at meet and greets and I dont see them on weekend rides.

2. I dont like overcrowded grids. If the grids are packed, and I am running into a shitload of traffic with ridiculous passing rules, the price better be cheap. I will not pay upwards of $200.00 and not even be able to get a few clean laps in.

3. The tracks they visit makes a big difference, I will ride with whomever at MSRH and TWS (Texas World Speedway). I love Cresson but don't make every event. If you are at TWS (Texas World Speedway) or MSRH, I will be there.

4. I dont like favoritism. I think every paying customer should be treated the same.

5. I like for instructors and control riders to take control. I dont like to ride in my correct level, with people that dont belong there. Way too much of that goes on, IMO, with one group in particular.

6. Seat time is huge. There is an organization that runs 30/30 at my fav track. Wanna talk about getting some one on one and really improving! I'd gladly pay more than the next person for that kind of time.

7. I'll be racing some this year, so I think the pre race events are sweet.

8. I like for emails and phone calls to be returned. Simple . Sometimes, seems like pulling teeth.

9. Mainly though, I like to see reps from the orgs. in person, out and about. It kind of eliminates that holier thou online persona I sense sometimes. I know that certain, if not all, orgs frown on backroads, spirited street riding, but seriously, there are about 10 of us, that are hooked on the track, because we met reps on those rides. I went to the track, because I wanted to ride twisties like those dudes did. Right or wrong, that is how I got there.

Anyway, but what do I know? Just my humble opinion.


I know we arent supposed to state names and such, but im still kinda new to the Texas orgs...............that being said, could someone please pm me which 2 orgs and which 2 tracks this is in effect please?

I too will pay extra to not have an ton of folks on the track. BUT i will only pay that extra if that is GUARANTEED and not just an advertising pitch
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Freedom and time on track are the things I liked the most.

The 30 on 30 off min sessions were great for me as a first timer the dedicated Novice or Reg day with a wide amount of freedom let me foucus on my own riding and being smooth and consistient. Respect and maintaining an out were the key lessons rather than worring about breaking any rules or getting caught which would have been distracting and too much like ridding on the street.

That said I will be riding with the rest of them this year but I did like that format to get my start.
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Kind of hard not to mention names of organizations...but I will try.

1. I like to know, on a personal level, the instructors and riders at the events. There is one org. that I have not rode with, because I do not know anyone there. I know thier screen names, but that's it. I dont see them at meet and greets and I dont see them on weekend rides.

2. I dont like overcrowded grids. If the grids are packed, and I am running into a shitload of traffic with ridiculous passing rules, the price better be cheap. I will not pay upwards of $200.00 and not even be able to get a few clean laps in.

3. The tracks they visit makes a big difference, I will ride with whomever at MSRH and TWS (Texas World Speedway). I love Cresson but don't make every event. If you are at TWS (Texas World Speedway) or MSRH, I will be there.

4. I dont like favoritism. I think every paying customer should be treated the same.

5. I like for instructors and control riders to take control. I dont like to ride in my correct level, with people that dont belong there. Way too much of that goes on, IMO, with one group in particular.

6. Seat time is huge. There is an organization that runs 30/30 at my fav track. Wanna talk about getting some one on one and really improving! I'd gladly pay more than the next person for that kind of time.

7. I'll be racing some this year, so I think the pre race events are sweet.

8. I like for emails and phone calls to be returned. Simple . Sometimes, seems like pulling teeth.

9. Mainly though, I like to see reps from the orgs. in person, out and about. It kind of eliminates that holier thou online persona I sense sometimes. I know that certain, if not all, orgs frown on backroads, spirited street riding, but seriously, there are about 10 of us, that are hooked on the track, because we met reps on those rides. I went to the track, because I wanted to ride twisties like those dudes did. Right or wrong, that is how I got there.

Anyway, but what do I know? Just my humble opinion.
+1 . Nice write up.
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First and foremost, it's the scheduled dates that i look for, not so much the organization or the price. Working offshore on a 28/28 days rotation allows a 50/50 chance that i can even attend the TD.

Next it's location. I'll only ride at GSS and MSRH because they're so close...I know I know...call me spoiled!

But features that I've come to really enjoy and depend on are the free lunches, great instructors, the comrodarie(sp) in the paddocks, re-visiting with the folks I've come to know, etc. I also prefer the 7X20 minute sessions...10 or 12 laps at a time are plenty enough to ware me out. I usually just ride 6 of teh sessions anyway...my favorite is always the 3rd session...right before lunch.
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Can anyone speak on who usually limits the number of riders per level to the smallest number?? Again, if this is taboo, pm again, but im more interested in who has the least amount of traffic "policies." I relize some orgs are cheaper than others but are they offsetting the cheapness by more numbers going out per session???

Ive been on Cresson with an org and it was what seemed to be jam packed and very frustrating.
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Apparently everyone takes this quite seriously, i woke up to 7 pm;s this morning, go me!!!!!!

Thanks to all for the input and advice, thanks to the trackday orgs for giving us all the oppurtunity to ride and have options to explore, im sure i speak for most everyone when i say its appreciated.
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Seat time, Organization as far as sticking to the schedule, prefer the track to not be overcrowded, constructive criticism, and a reasonable price. You will see that some orgs substitute a low price and then "crowd" the track. It pretty much all boils down to seat time and cost overall though. And a "severe weather policy" would be great, but I don't see that happening.
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