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|01-20-2009, 03:33 PM||#21|
LSTD Mob Cappo
Join Date: Aug 2006
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I am Tyler Durdin's bad attitude.
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|01-20-2009, 03:38 PM||#22|
Former Dragon Slayer
Join Date: Feb 2008
Never once had a serious problem with grip (granted that I'm only in the low 1:50's, so grip is rarely a problem at those speeds for most )
I just re-read what I posted and felt that there was some clarification needed. When I said 1:50's, I meant 1:52 - 1:54.........not trying to pose or anything, I haven't quite made it to the 1:50's just yet.
Anywho.....this is an awesome thread!
I'd also like to add one more thing about MSRH. Coming straight from street riding/mountain carving......I found MSRH to be exactly the track I needed, to get me on the right start. It's tight and technical enough to the point where decent/good form is almost required to be fast. As Tony eluted to in a previous post, other places may allow riders to use sloppy form that has been hardened by years of street riding. MSRH, IMHO almost completely eliminates this factor, thus requiring you to learn proper riding techniques.
At the same time, the faster sections of the track were not fast enough (at least for me) to scare the living bageezus out of a first time trackdayer. You're barely in 6th gear on the back straight (if at all, depending on your gearing). So there is a good balance for anyone looking to get their first track experience.
"The liberties of none are safe, unless the liberties of all are protected." -Justice William O. Douglas
|01-21-2009, 09:35 AM||#25|
CCS EX #62
Join Date: Nov 2005
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All of the mentioned tracks i agree.
ECR: Great layout, but SLICK as and rough as in some corners and down the back straight
Barber: Awesome in every aspect
Daytona: FAST FAST and FAST, good traction every where. on tires.
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CCS EX # 62
|01-21-2009, 10:02 AM||#26|
Join Date: Apr 2006
MSR Cresson has to be my favorite.
pros: Excellent track layout with good grip. Mix of high speed straights and good technical turns with elevation change. Facilities and paddock are top notch (unless you can't find a space under the covered paddock). Two different tracks with two completely different styles of riding. Nice layout and nice countryside surrounding the track.
cons: To far of a drive from Houston! Original track eats up tires. Dallas weather!
Second would probably be MSR houston.
pros: Great track layout with a little bit of everything. I really enjoy the back section of the track (keyhole, bus stop, etc). Facilites are excellent as well, equal to or a little better than MSRC. Pretty good grip in most places (see cons also). Tires seem to hold up well. Close to home.
cons: Parts of the track are bumpy and can be slippery (although fairly predictable). Weather, seams to always rain down there, if only for 15-30 min. Sometimes windy. Looks like they have a wiked kart track, but last I heard, no minis allowed!!!
TWS (Texas World Speedway)
pros: High speed track with some good elevation changes. Track surface seems fairly smooth and grip is good. Tires hold up well. Good facilities. In College Station! Close to the house.
cons: No real technical aspect to the track. Liter bike playland, makes the 600's work harder (still fun to pass the big bikes though).
pros: Very smooth surface with lots of grip. Very technical track, they made the most of the small size of the property. More fun than you initially think by looking at it, and riding it for the first session. Motard friendly track!
cons: No facilities, none. Flat.
|01-21-2009, 03:18 PM||#27|
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Austin, TX
Experience: 1-3 months
07 Kawasaki ZX-6R Track
05 CBR 600RR Track
Stealing HOP's layout - sorry bud, you did such a pretty job laying it all out...lol
TWS (Texas World Speedway)
fun all the way around
lots of elec. outlets
always seems to have good traction regardless of weather
wide track which allows SOME room for error (but also a con because it can cause sloppy riding)
allows people to be sloppy and still think they are hauling the mail
allows slow riders on liter bikes to punch it in long straights but makes them park in turns, which can irritate riders behind that are faster in turns.
harsh on tires
awesome paddocks with cover
plenty of elec. outlets
has a variety of turns with low speed and high speed turns
somewhat easy on tires
plenty of grip
only 1 turn has elevation
no cambered turns
sections of track are very bumpy/need some tlc from track owners
variety of turns
similar to msr-h but with camber and elevation in the turns.
not much covered paddocks
little electricity hook ups
track is either good or slick
track is new and smooth
easy on tires
great for motards and smaller cc bikes
no covered ANYTHING at all.
No electricity - last time I checked.
Huge concrete area is used for staging/paddocks - not nice in hot weather - heat blast
No facilities (one porta potty last time I checked - about 200 meters away from staging).
no cambered turns
pavement seemed to be degrading very rapidly at any track day (when riding starts small pellets of pavement get loose and stay there on the track).
eagle's canyon raceway
Fixed pavement and resealed
Lots of turning, with double apex turns, etc
Nice elevation changes
great length 2.4mi
Lots of straights
The track had pavement issues, although it was fixed...we will see how it is this season.
Far away from where I live
No covered paddock space
Limited electricity for riders
I don't like the pit in from the track, the pit out could be better placed too.
My favorites are TWS (Texas World Speedway) followed closely by MSR Cresson original 1.7mi track CCW.
|01-23-2009, 03:58 PM||#28|
Join Date: Apr 2008
Experience: 7 years
Pros - It's fun, it's grippy, makes you learn how to brake deep if you want to do well.
Cons - That squirrel coming out of T6, the coyote near T3.
Pros - Super fun, lots of off camber, lots of trail braking, great club house, Sonic is across the street, beer on site now.
Cons - Surface is getting worse, slick slick slick in the morning and rain, not much in paddock coverage or power
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|07-05-2016, 08:16 AM||#29|
Join Date: May 2015
Location: NW Houston
Experience: 10+ years
99 Ducati 996s
07 Yamaha FZ1
14 Yamaha TW200
13 Kawasaki 300se
08 Ducati Hypermotard
I was doing some searching and came across this. It's so old, COTA isn't even listed and others are closed. A lot is still the same though.
pros- Not a flaw on the track, plenty of room to move, stupid incredible traction, odds of hitting anything (but each other) is zero to none, this is what $500,000,000 will buy you.
cons- very intimidating, much more technical than it looks from the stands, back straight is scary as with everyone coming in off the high 100s trying to get stopped for the 100*+ turn12, mentally brain fried by the end of the day and you will not want to go to a 'normal' track ever again.
If Harley Davidson made an airplane, would you fly in it?
|08-17-2016, 08:19 PM||#30|
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: The Woodlands
Experience: 10+ years
Yamaha RZ 500
1990 Yamaha FZR 400
COTA does spoil you and with regard to price I can not say that is out of line for such a great palce.
Was able to run MSRH counterclockwise recently and a much more flowing track this direction. Can say I hate the walls in this direction and also ran off in Diamonds edge.. The yellow bumps are absolutely viscous.
Barber enjoy more than COTA but it is a haul. That track has so much elevation change and the facility is beautiful.
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|10-28-2016, 11:59 AM||#31|
Join Date: Jul 2014
Experience: 3 years
2008 CBR 600RR
2006 ZX6R-stolen :(
2003 Buell XB9R
I've ridden only two tracks that people have mentioned here which is MSRH and COTA so I wont go into a Pro or Con for those. I'm a fairly new rider and aside from what has already been mentioned about these tracks there really isn't nothing I would have been able to add. There is one track that hasn't been mentioned yet so ill go ahead and include that one. I'm not only going to talk about the track, but also the staff that operates it because to my knowledge no track day organization holds track days there. So here goes.
Harris Hill Road San Marcos, Tx
1. Tight twisting technical track. Its a little under two miles 1.85mi to be exact and it has pretty much every corner you can think of with elevation changes.
2.NO SESSIONS: From the moment the track goes hot at 9am it will stay that way till 4pm unless weather or a crash halts the day. Meaning if you want to you can go out on the track at 9am, ride to your hearts content, return to the pits when you feel like it, have a water break or a snack, then head back out.
3. PASSING: Unless told otherwise by the staff at the beginning of the day you can pass wherever you want inside or outside so long as you are respectful of the rider you are passing. I've only gone with ride smart for track days, but the universal complaint I have always heard is the inability to be allowed to pass on the inside at any level other than level 3.
4. OPEN ALL YEAR!: Motorcycle only track days are held every 1st Saturday and 3rd Sunday EVERY MONTH for the ENTIRE YEAR. If the weather isn't too bad and your willing to throw on your rain tires or put on your warming layers have at it.
1. as with any track in Texas it is extremely bumpy. So much so that it will bite you in the if you are not careful.
2. The track length since it is so short can be a problem for liter bikes.
3. Not really much of a con per se, but since the session is an open one you'll find racers sharing the track with newbies. So it can be really intimidating to new riders. To elevate this, the staff give all the new riders an orange jersey to wear while on the track. Meaning they have the right of way. The new guys are at the top of the totem pole while the more experienced riders are lower down. Meaning if an on track incident happens between a new rider and a orange shirt rider it is usually the more experienced riders fault because they should know better that is unless the orange rider was way out of line. Those who aren't used to that type of thing it could get frustrating. there are also no corner workers on the track. There is medical staff on site and a crash cart should you go down.