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Old 01-14-2009, 08:01 PM   #21
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Old 01-14-2009, 08:07 PM   #22
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might take you up on that. ran a 190 pilot power on my old gixxer 6 trackbike and loved it. what compounds are they?
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what side of town are you on?
The tires are at Motorcycles Unlimited right now. You can pick them up there now if you want.

I split my time between Cypress and Pearland, so I can meet you anywhere.
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Old 01-14-2009, 08:29 PM   #25
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I really like the bt002 Ride Smart, not a race tire but very capable. I finally found a point where I could not go any faster with the Ride Smart's. I'm sure a more talented or skilled rider could go faster, I just wasn't comfortable pushing them any further. One thing I will say if you plan on racing, practice with what you plan to race, 98% of my riding was done with the Ride Smart and when it came to race day I found myself trying to learn the front profile of a race tire which completely threw off my braking markers. The profile on the Ride Smart is more round, were a race tire is more triangulated which allows for later braking or better trail braking...I found this ended up hurting me in the long run.

You'll have to make a decision based on what works best for your application...are you doing the occasional trackday followed by some street riding.

is your bike dedicated to track only?

do you plan on racing? If so...who has the best support out there? Find someone who really knows their product and can help you make the best decision based on your riding style.

Everyone has their own opinion as to what's the best tire out there. I find 99% of the time most people will direct you with what has worked best for them in the past. I don't think you can go wrong with any of the race tires out there...my 02
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what times are you getting out there?
49's. But don't listen to me, listen to the fast guys. It makes A LOT of sense to practice on what you will race on. Ironically, that is the first time I have heard that. So, I may be upgrading this year...I will watch this thread with ya.
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STG has a special of 1 front and three rears of Pilot Power Race for 400 bux, I think. It seems like a good deal.
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FWIW...John (kawi jm) has always provided awesome trackside support, now that he's added pirelli to the lineup it's going to be tough to match him...

David Hirsch (michelin) is another great guy.

I've not had to chance to talk or work with David Roy (dunlop) but I hear good things...
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Everyone has their own opinion as to what's the best tire out there. I find 99% of the time most people will direct you with what has worked best for them in the past. I don't think you can go wrong with any of the race tires out there...my 02
As I said in my first post, absolutely 100% agree with Alonzo here. Modern rubber, especially race rubber, is good no matter who you go with brand-wise.

This is especially true for someone who is new to race compounds and racing.

By the end of the season, or maybe in the middle depending on how quickly you progress, you'll begin to learn what you like/ don't like, and will be begin to be able to tell the subtle differences in the tires.
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STG has a special of 1 front and three rears of Pilot Power Race for 400 bux, I think. It seems like a good deal.
Dang, KawiJM is still cheaper... even with the Pirelli.
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Dang, KawiJM is still cheaper... even with the Pirelli.
For 1 front and three rears?

If so, I am buying all my tires this season with him.
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49's. But don't listen to me, listen to the fast guys. It makes A LOT of sense to practice on what you will race on. Ironically, that is the first time I have heard that. So, I may be upgrading this year...I will watch this thread with ya.
W3rd...Brandt has heard me rave about the Ride Smart's since day one. They really are a good tire, especially for those who are on a budget that want better grip than a street tire will allow.

I didn't realize this was a handicap until race day, which unfortunatetly came later in the year.
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Old 01-14-2009, 08:51 PM   #34
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Dang, KawiJM is still cheaper... even with the Pirelli.
he's cheaper than 4 tires for 400.00?
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For 1 front and three rears?

If so, I am buying all my tires this season with him.
Ooops, didn't read that part, I just saw the $400 and ASSumed.


Muh bad.

Still, buying race rubber on-line has other issues:

1. They won't offer support, 'cause they're somewhere else and not at the track

2. Most of the time, almost every time, they don't sell you "fresh" rubber

3. Most of the time, they don't have the compounds you'll need for our tracks

4. The little money you "save" by buying online from these guys ends up costing you in the end with lack of support at the track, improper compounds, and with excess tire wear (from being "old" tires).

Speaking from experience on this one too- one year, we bought Michelin Pilot Race tires through my team-mate's dealership. We had lots of problems that year... ended up going back to Hirsch. We saved a whopping $100 with 5 sets of tires and lost every podium for that part of the season.
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Not low 40's. But yea, if ya got the money, why not?
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Ooops, didn't read that part, I just saw the $400 and ASSumed.


Muh bad.

Still, buying race rubber on-line has other issues:

1. They won't offer support, 'cause they're somewhere else and not at the track

2. Most of the time, almost every time, they don't sell you "fresh" rubber

3. Most of the time, they don't have the compounds you'll need for our tracks

4. The little money you "save" by buying online from these guys ends up costing you in the end with lack of support at the track, improper compounds, and with excess tire wear (from being "old" tires).

Speaking from experience on this one too- one year, we bought Michelin Pilot Race tires through my team-mate's dealership. We had lots of problems that year... ended up going back to Hirsch. We saved a whopping $100 with 5 sets of tires and lost every podium for that part of the season.
+1 and he will mount them for free if the wheels are taken off at the track or at his home.
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+1 and he will mount them for free if the wheels are taken off at the track or at his home.
I am looking forward to working with John this year. I hear he gives excellent support, and with the addition of Pirelli, SCRC will be the show to beat now.
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gonzo, you followed me a few laps at msrh at the end of last season on a blue and silver 07 rr. do you think i could be more productive with race rubber or would i be my money away?
I firmly believe you would be more productive with race tires...It's pretty clear that you have talent and with a few more days under your belt you'll be demanding more from your tires, make the switch now and learn to ride on race rubber...
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49's. But don't listen to me, listen to the fast guys. It makes A LOT of sense to practice on what you will race on. Ironically, that is the first time I have heard that. So, I may be upgrading this year...I will watch this thread with ya.
sorry to double quote...I left something out on my other post.

Brandt make the switch, I found the Ride Smart's abilitly to handle side load forces is not as good as a race tire...Let's factor in your weight and height...your physhically demanding more from your tires, agreed. The side load per square inch is much less on the Ride Smart over a race tire, just something to consider...
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I'm sure a more talented or skilled rider could go faster, I just wasn't comfortable pushing them any further.
Just thought this was a fairly humble statement to make.

Always someone faster/better/etc. but being towards the top of the general population isn't something to down play either IMO.
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