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Old 01-13-2009, 02:06 PM   #21
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so i take it 4 sprints on your own and 1 hour of endurance is your part?
I'm not exactly sure what you're asking him there, but I'll go by what I think you're asking.

4 sprints are 4 separate races on Sunday- solo events, 4-8 laps depending on schedule.

Endurance racing is 2 or more riders, riding for XX hours, sharing the duties.

There is practice on Saturday for endurance racers which is included in the entry fee for endurance. If you're sprinting on Sunday and want to practice on Saturday with the endurance, sometimes they do that, and it costs extra.

For Sunday, you have practice that is included in the entry fees for sprint races, then, you race your class sprints.
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Old 01-13-2009, 10:17 PM   #22
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yes sir i meant
sprint 1-----$75
sprint 2-----$50
sprint3------$35
sprint4 -----$35
1 hour endurance $45
+$240
and both practices are included
the trackday/practice friday is a totally different deal.
this pretty much what i needed to know,thanks guys.
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yes sir i meant
sprint 1-----$75
sprint 2-----$50
sprint3------$35
sprint4 -----$35
1 hour endurance $45
+$240
and both practices are included
the trackday/practice friday is a totally different deal.
this pretty much what i needed to know,thanks guys.
Give or take, that is about right. Endurance races range from 2 to 8-hrs though, and I'm on a team of 3 riders, so the cost for Sat varies. I typically adjust my Sunday sprints based on that. I try to focus on two sprint classes to be competitive in (which I always ride in) and the other classes are just for extra practice and extra fun!
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yes sir i meant
sprint 1-----$75
sprint 2-----$50
sprint3------$35
sprint4 -----$35
1 hour endurance $45
+$240
and both practices are included
the trackday/practice friday is a totally different deal.
this pretty much what i needed to know,thanks guys.
For clarification sake, you can't just buy 1 hour of endurance.

Typically, with endurance, expenses are shared by the team, so it would be XX hours + $$/ hour, plus fuel, plus tires, plus other consumables, etc... So there is not a $45 for one hour of endurance option really.
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So there is not a $45 for one hour of endurance option really.
Would be nice though.
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For clarification sake, you can't just buy 1 hour of endurance.

Typically, with endurance, expenses are shared by the team, so it would be XX hours + $$/ hour, plus fuel, plus tires, plus other consumables, etc... So there is not a $45 for one hour of endurance option really.
yeah i was just making out where his $245 were going.
understood
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Also consider that the 8hr event is now a 6hr event. So you save a little there.
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sprint fees for 4 races (if you do formula 1, prices change)

$195

tires, depending on your pace, 2 rears and 1 front (that's what i would do if i was to do 4 races)

$550+

fuel costs, you'll probably go through 10 gallons if you do all those practices and such

10 x $2.50 = $25
if you using VP fuels, U4.2 = $150

bike maint, fuel costs to get there, hotel fees if you get one, food and drinks of course, and everything between....

you're lookin at over $1,000 per race weekend (not including big bike endurance which would usually cost about $2-$300 a person depending on team size, bike size, yadda yadda yadda), also considering you don't do the friday trackday.

so per year, if you consistently run 4 sprints, and run hard....you're looking at probably about $15k-$20k per year for racing.....not including if you crash a lot.......then you can go ahead and apply for a huge loan now.
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sprint fees for 4 races (if you do formula 1, prices change)

$195

tires, depending on your pace, 2 rears and 1 front (that's what i would do if i was to do 4 races)

$550+

fuel costs, you'll probably go through 10 gallons if you do all those practices and such

10 x $2.50 = $25
if you using VP fuels, U4.2 = $150

bike maint, fuel costs to get there, hotel fees if you get one, food and drinks of course, and everything between....

you're lookin at over $1,000 per race weekend (not including big bike endurance which would usually cost about $2-$300 a person depending on team size, bike size, yadda yadda yadda), also considering you don't do the friday trackday.

so per year, if you consistently run 4 sprints, and run hard....you're looking at probably about $15k-$20k per year for racing.....not including if you crash a lot.......then you can go ahead and apply for a huge loan now.
Tony has some good figures there. There is one thing to consider for Fuel and tires though and that is contingency. If your running hard, hopefully that means your running up front. VP pays contingency for each can of fuel you purchase, so if you buy 2 cans of VP U4.2 for $150, I will pay your best two finshes. Example:
4 sprints, lets say you finish like this, 1 win, 1 2nd & 2 3rd's
Your first and second place pays $50. You have to ask yourself if the extra HP the fuel gave you helped give you the edge you needed to finish were you did.

Now on tires, lets take Bridgestone for example for a novice racer (Pirelli pay very good as well) (same finishes as fuel example)
These payouts change with the classes but for the sake of argument lets say your running a 600 inline. With those finishes you would bring home $550 in contingency.

No matter what brand you use FILL OUT THE CONTINGENCY REGISTRATION FORM AT EACH EVENT! It is free money that the tire manufactuers offer for their customers, use it.

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unfortunatly i doubt i will finish top 5......
racing for fun is expensive.
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unfortunatly i doubt i will finish top 5......
racing for fun is expensive.
You may be surprised based on some of the classes you're racing in. By the end of the season, you may be a regular top 5 finisher.
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unfortunatly i doubt i will finish top 5......
racing for fun is expensive.
One advantage with Pirelli is that they pay out to 5th even in Novice classes. I've posted the contingency payouts on my website.
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One advantage with Pirelli is that they pay out to 5th even in Novice classes. I've posted the contingency payouts on my website.


oh?


I figured I would double post that since I was unaware of it as I am sure many others are as well.

I just regret having the bike I have now and all the added toys on it as it limits the classes a great deal for me, but it's just a hobby anyways. Keeps me out of titty bars and away from dating other women trying to free load because the bike gets add-ons before they get whatever it is they want.
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oh?


I figured I would double post that since I was unaware of it as I am sure many others are as well.

I just regret having the bike I have now and all the added toys on it as it limits the classes a great deal for me, but it's just a hobby anyways. Keeps me out of titty bars and away from dating other women trying to free load because the bike gets add-ons before they get whatever it is they want.
Seriously though, since your only allowed to run Formula 1 & Superbike A with your current setup, you should be able to do a full weekend on one set of tires. Practice and everything.
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One advantage with Pirelli is that they pay out to 5th even in Novice classes. I've posted the contingency payouts on my website.
how does the contingency work for mini's? is it even worth it?
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how does the contingency work for mini's? is it even worth it?
Bridgestone is the only tire brand that pays contingency in the mini classes. It works the same as the big bikes. Run the stickers, list Bridgestone in your sponsor's list for the CMRA, fill out the registration form in tech (there is a special Bridgestone form) and hand it in with your paperwork. Then if you finish in the money, Bridgestone issues you a certificate(s) worth the amount that you won. Those certificates are only redeamable at certified Bridgestone race distributors, and are like cash. They have a expiration date so be sure to turn them in before they expire. If your in between races I can put them on credit.
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ive received contingency from you and stone before but, the killer is, you can't get the 601's so if you can come up with an equivalent tire, i would be glad to run them again.
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I know it's only $5, but that could be lunch
Your first sprint race entry fee is $70 not $75. Thank goodness for endurance racing.
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I know it's only $5, but that could be lunch
Your first sprint race entry fee is $70 not $75. Thank goodness for endurance racing.
Amen. You may be seated
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