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Old 01-02-2009, 08:55 PM   #21
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MSF teaches you how to perform maneuvers that are required for regular street riding, many of the things you learn in MSF would never apply on the track.

Track teaches you how to ride in a race type situation. Alot of things learned in a track day are not applied to everyday street riding.

Won't continue to argue with you over it though, congrats on the M cert, should have told them you didn't have to take the test cause you ride trackdays and see what they say.
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MSF teaches you how to perform maneuvers that are required for regular street riding, many of the things you learn in MSF would never apply on the track.

Track teaches you how to ride in a race type situation. Alot of things learned in a track day are not applied to everyday street riding.

Won't continue to argue with you over it though, congrats on the M cert, should have told them you didn't have to take the test cause you ride trackdays and see what they say.

Or I could have told them that I have rode 3090 with MSF graduates, and I was scared for them. But instead, I just sucked it up. Still a crock IMO.
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Old 01-02-2009, 09:12 PM   #23
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That's correct. Countersteering.
well...i missed it. apparently it is push right, lean right turn right. I guess they mean pushing with your right hand. The question is misleading.
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Old 01-02-2009, 09:20 PM   #24
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Or I could have told them that I have rode 3090 with MSF graduates, and I was scared for them. But instead, I just sucked it up. Still a crock IMO.
true. but then again i am not sure 3090 is a fair comparison. depending on the rider they could be riding it like a street or they could be riding it like a race track. so it kinda depends.

anyhow congrats man.
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Old 01-03-2009, 12:47 AM   #25
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msf is for losers !!!!!!!!!!! lol congrats cdill on the restricted m endorsement . lol
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Old 01-03-2009, 02:07 AM   #27
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I dunno man. Can't imagine what I could learn in MSF that the manual didnt teach. That i DID NOT learn at teh track.

Furthermore, WTF is this.....is this the corect answer, cuz I missed it. Is this a true statement?

Push left, lean right, turn right.
I'd agree and disagree respectfully. I haven't done a trackday yet, and I want to VERY badly. I know I'll be a much better twistie rider and overall know my bike better. However!!!! I would bet that 14k miles on a track verus 14k miles in rush hour traffic would give me an edge on riding in rush hour more safely, predicting car movements, riding defensively, aggressively/safely moving through traffic. I may not know the cornering limits and techniques best, but I also don't panic brake as much, and would wager that street experience is a different beast.

I still consider myself a newb, but when I've put a solid year of everyday riding in rush hour, I consider it some valid experience. In fact, I've seen some riders that just smoke by me in rush hour traffic on their inline 4's as I was on my 250. And I wasn't impressed. I know that riding the way they were (no following distance, blending lanespliting with going back and forth between lanes too fast), would be just asking for a accident due to rider error if they kept that up long enough. 100 cars piling up on my isn't my idea of a fun time.

I've got a lot to learn, but I'll second that MSF and Trackdays are 2 different beasts. MSF principles kept me from dropping my bike or making serious mistakes quite a few time. Mostly it was a good introduction. I think I've learned a lot of principles from Twist of the Wrist and just talking with good riders like yourselves.
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anyone know what the deal is on glasses? i dont know if i can pass the eye test at the DMV cuz i think i barely passed last time. i guess i can go just try and get it without it and if i fail the eye test then just deal with it i guess. I can see just fine on the road, just those signs get me.
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I'd agree and disagree respectfully. I haven't done a trackday yet, and I want to VERY badly. I know I'll be a much better twistie rider and overall know my bike better. However!!!! I would bet that 14k miles on a track verus 14k miles in rush hour traffic would give me an edge on riding in rush hour more safely, predicting car movements, riding defensively, aggressively/safely moving through traffic. I may not know the cornering limits and techniques best, but I also don't panic brake as much, and would wager that street experience is a different beast.

I still consider myself a newb, but when I've put a solid year of everyday riding in rush hour, I consider it some valid experience. In fact, I've seen some riders that just smoke by me in rush hour traffic on their inline 4's as I was on my 250. And I wasn't impressed. I know that riding the way they were (no following distance, blending lanespliting with going back and forth between lanes too fast), would be just asking for a accident due to rider error if they kept that up long enough. 100 cars piling up on my isn't my idea of a fun time.

I've got a lot to learn, but I'll second that MSF and Trackdays are 2 different beasts. MSF principles kept me from dropping my bike or making serious mistakes quite a few time. Mostly it was a good introduction. I think I've learned a lot of principles from Twist of the Wrist and just talking with good riders like yourselves.
didnt know u could go fast enuf on a 250 to panic brake.

I kidd man and I agree with u. If these guys would have paid attention to the smiley face at the end of my MSF post, they'd see I was just messin around. But they are just soooooooo eager to argue. Aggressive lil pups I tell ya.

Peeps soooooooooooooooooooooooooo serious round these parts.

I cant wait to get my motohouston stickers on the bike, and show Houston we all arent sissies on here.

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didnt know u could go fast enuf on a 250 to panic brake.

I kidd man and I agree with u. If these guys would have paid attention to the smiley face at the end of my MSF post, they'd see I was just messin around. But they are just soooooooo eager to argue. Aggressive lil pups I tell ya.

Peeps soooooooooooooooooooooooooo serious round these parts.

I cant wait to get my motohouston stickers on the bike, and show Houston we all arent sissies on here.
I just felt like posting a reply up...debate is fun. forum trolling priceless.
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i had this exact same conversation with someone last night. wierd. same conversation.
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it is wheird. really.
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