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Old 12-09-2008, 11:52 PM   #1
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Moto GP vs WSBK lap times

Jacked this from another site; not sure if repost but is still intersting.

Crash.net posted some of the times for comparison.


Losail (MotoGP: March, WSBK: February)
Fastest '08 MotoGP lap: Casey Stoner (Ducati) 1min 55.153secs*
Fastest '08 WSBK lap: Fonsi Nieto (Suzuki) 1min 59.156secs
Slowest '08 MotoGP lap: Anthony West (Kawasaki) 1min 57.989secs*
Difference fastest WSBK/fastest MotoGP: +4.003secs
Difference slowest MotoGP/fastest WSBK: +1.167secs
* Night race

Phillip Island (MotoGP: October, WSBK: March)
Fastest '08 MotoGP lap: Nicky Hayden (Honda) - 1min 30.059
Fastest '08 WSBK lap: Troy Bayliss (Ducati) - 1min 32.516secs
Slowest '08 MotoGP lap: Marco Melandri (Ducati) - 1min 32.519secs
Difference fastest WSBK/fastest MotoGP: +2.457secs
Difference slowest MotoGP/fastest WSBK: -0.003secs

Valencia (MotoGP: October, WSBK: April)
Fastest '08 MotoGP lap: Casey Stoner (Ducati) - 1min 32.582secs
Fastest '08 WSBK lap: Noriyuki Haga (Yamaha) 1min 35.131secs
Slowest '08 MotoGP lap: Anthony West (Kawasaki) 1min 34.715secs
Difference fastest WSBK/fastest MotoGP: +2.549secs
Difference slowest MotoGP/fastest WSBK: +0.416secs

Assen (MotoGP: June, WSBK: April)
Fastest '08 MotoGP lap: Casey Stoner (Ducati) 1min 36.738secs
Fastest '08 WSBK lap: Max Neukirchner (Suzuki) 1min 39.395secs
Slowest '08 MotoGP lap: Marco Melandri (Ducati) 1min 38.676secs
Difference fastest WSBK/fastest MotoGP: +2.657secs
Difference slowest MotoGP/fastest WSBK: +0.719secs

Misano (MotoGP: August, WSBK: June)
Fastest '08 MotoGP lap: Valentino Rossi (Yamaha) 1min 34.904secs
Fastest '08 WSBK lap: Troy Corser (Yamaha) 1min 37.580secs
Slowest '08 MotoGP lap: Anthony West (Kawasaki) 1min 36.862secs
Difference fastest WSBK/fastest MotoGP: +2.676secs
Difference slowest MotoGP/fastest WSBK: +0.718secs

Brno (MotoGP: August, WSBK: July)
Fastest '08 MotoGP lap: Casey Stoner (Ducati) 1min 57.199secs
Fastest '08 WSBK lap: Michel Fabrizio (Ducati) 1min 59.979secs
Slowest '08 MotoGP lap: James Toseland (Yamaha) 2mins 00.953secs
Difference fastest WSBK/fastest MotoGP: +2.780secs
Difference slowest MotoGP/fastest WSBK: -0.974secs
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Old 12-10-2008, 08:07 AM   #2
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intresting
why such a diff. at Losail????
cooler temps I guess for the motogp guys (night race)
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Very interesting, though I am a little surprised that there is only one case of overlap between the slowest MotoGP and fastest WSB...
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I,m surprised they are not closer
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Very interesting, though I am a little surprised that there is only one case of overlap between the slowest MotoGP and fastest WSB...
Two shown in the results above if you count the small difference at Phillip Island. It is crazy to think that even the slowest GP rider is typically still faster than the fastest World Superbike rider. Wonder how much of it is bike, and how much of it is rider? Makes me want to dig up info on top speeds for comparison.
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I think you'll find that the top speeds are not that different. Maybe at shanghai (longest straight), but everywhere else, corner speed is the difference. Your putting a $200K (WSBK) against a $1M+(MotoGP) bike.
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I think you'll find that the top speeds are not that different. Maybe at shanghai (longest straight), but everywhere else, corner speed is the difference. Your putting a $200K (WSBK) against a $1M+(MotoGP) bike.
and great riders (WSBK) against the very very best (MotoGP)
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and great riders (WSBK) against the very very best (MotoGP)
and remember that the superbikes are on a control Pirelli tyre
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and remember that the superbikes are on a control Pirelli tyre
Morning, so U think Val would beat Troy? everything else being egual??
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Morning, so U think Val would beat Troy? everything else being egual??
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and great riders (WSBK) against the very very best (MotoGP)
Besides a few stand-outs I think the two orgs have very comparative racers. Standouts being Bayliss, Rossi, Stoner & Haga. I think you put any of those guys on a well sorted bike & they go fast. The rest of the guys are certainly no slouch I just think these guys are the creme-da-la-creme.
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As was said Top Speed not necassairly the difference maker as faster in not always quicker.

Makes me think about the smaller things adding up. Carbon brakes getting the rear up and at the limit mabye say...1/10 quicker. Stiffer and Lighter chassis (carbon frames?) reduce intertia and increase response allowing quicker turn ins and changes in direction leading to more entry speed and later braking equals back on gas sooner...mabye another 1/10 or 2/10. On a 10 or 15 turn track 3/10 quicker per turn is 3 or 4 sec/lap. Just thinking out loud.

The really cool thing is how much R&D and race spec parts are in showroom bikes these days as a result. It's almost like an F1 car that the average Joe can buy.
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I think you'll find that the top speeds are not that different. Maybe at shanghai (longest straight), but everywhere else, corner speed is the difference. Your putting a $200K (WSBK) against a $1M+(MotoGP) bike.
What about the difference in acceleration? Can't find any info really comparing them.
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What about the difference in acceleration? Can't find any info really comparing them.
True, but again we are comparing apples and oranges. The motogp bike has over 200 sensors (average) monitoring location on the track, lean angle, throttle position, independently measuring wheel speeds and weight distribution just to name a few. The bike is electronically programmed to brake as hard as possible, as deep into the corner as possible, carry as much corner speed as possible and accelerate out of the corner as hard and as early as possilbe.

The bike still has to be ridden, but some of the guess work is taken out. The laptimes are not a reflection of the difference in rider talent, but more of the equipment.
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Two shown in the results above if you count the small difference at Phillip Island. It is crazy to think that even the slowest GP rider is typically still faster than the fastest World Superbike rider. Wonder how much of it is bike, and how much of it is rider? Makes me want to dig up info on top speeds for comparison.
Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades, even 1/1000th of a second can be the difference between winning and losing in racing
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What about the difference in acceleration? Can't find any info really comparing them.
the motoGP bikes are roughly the same horsepower but are considerably lighter with the best launch and drive electronics money can't buy (as already stated).
with that in mind I would expect them to have the advantage there too especially with someone like pedrosa on board
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Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades, even 1/1000th of a second can be the difference between winning and losing in racing
i've ridden horseshoes at the track but what does a hand grenade turn look like?
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