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Old 11-19-2008, 10:39 AM   #1
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Tire Warmers on street tires??

Ready for some discussion....

Well, Should tire warmers be used on street tires for a trackday?

Lets say an average street tire such as the Bridgestone BT-014, Michelin Pilot Power, or Dunlop Quilifer.
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if you're fast enough for warmers, you shouldn't be riding on DOT street tires IMO.
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Old 11-19-2008, 10:42 AM   #5
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What are tire warmers? Big fuzzy things that go on your tires like ear muffs when it's cold outside?
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if you're fast enough for warmers, you shouldn't be riding on DOT street tires IMO.
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What are tire warmers?
you should check out the Solaire ones I am marketing across the US. They flipping rock
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i keep summer air in mine so the air is always hot, i don't need warmers.

but if the air gets cold, i just have chuck norris look at the tires and that excites the air molecules and my tires warm up immediately
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Use the search feature Hooli!

Seriously though, street tires are designed to heat up quickly, and they don't benefit from warmers at all.

The argument that "if you need warmers you're fast enough for race rubber" is pretty put-out too because I've seen plenty of fast folks run street rubber on the track and lay down some awesome lap times too.

I've personally cut 55's at TWS (Texas World Speedway) on 014 Bridgestones.

But as far as warmers go, they don't help the street tires with heat cycles or anything else except maybe to be up to temp as soon as you get on the track.

One thing to remember though, during cold months, it really doesn't matter too much about initial tire temp if the track is cold
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Seriously though, street tires are designed to heat up quickly, and they don't benefit from warmers at all.

The argument that "if you need warmers you're fast enough for race rubber" is pretty put-out too because I've seen plenty of fast folks run street rubber on the track and lay down some awesome lap times too.

I've personally cut 55's at TWS (Texas World Speedway) on 014 Bridgestones.

But as far as warmers go, they don't help the street tires with heat cycles or anything else except maybe to be up to temp as soon as you get on the track.

One thing to remember though, during cold months, it really doesn't matter too much about initial tire temp if the track is cold
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the use of tyre warmers is NOT a measure of speed
their job is to bring the tyre up to and around its optimum working temperature so that from a racers perspective he is not spending a couple of laps tip toeing round waiting for his tyres to build up some heat.
As a trackdayer you use them so you are good to go pretty much as soon as you get out on track and don't therefore waste saddle time bringing them up to temp.
Of course there is also the whole heat cycle issue which warmers help preserve.

They DON'T make you quicker ultimately
I'm pretty sure the like of Ty Howard will do much the same lap times on any given track on lap 4 5 6 7 etc wether tyre warmers were used or not, all things being equal eg. no cold tear, same tyre used etc

Road tyres will heat up more quickly than a dedicated track tyre and last longer but will not offer the same level of grip and feedback
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the use of tyre warmers is NOT a measure of speed
their job is to bring the tyre up to and around its optimum working temperature so that from a racers perspective he is not spending a couple of laps tip toeing round waiting for his tyres to build up some heat.
As a trackdayer you use them so you are good to go pretty much as soon as you get out on track and don't therefore waste saddle time bringing them up to temp.
Of course there is also the whole heat cycle issue which warmers help preserve.

They DON'T make you quicker ultimately
I'm pretty sure the like of Ty Howard will do much the same lap times on any given track on lap 4 5 6 7 etc wether tyre warmers were used or not, all things being equal eg. no cold tear, same tyre used etc

Road tyres will heat up more quickly than a dedicated track tyre and last longer but will not offer the same level of grip and feedback
What is this Ty Howard you speak of and what does it do?
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I'm pretty sure the like of Ty Howard will do much the same lap times on any given track on lap 4 5 6 7 etc wether tyre warmers were used or not, all things being equal eg. no cold tear, same tyre used etc
or i would think any other racer who doesnt mind their bike going a little sideways on hard entry and exit............
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So are you saying you're offering sponsorship to MH? Sweet.
he should, but notice he isn't starting threads marketing them. GO Martin!
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he should, but notice he isn't starting threads marketing them. GO Martin!
maybe K5 can help him market this.....

racer997-tire warmers are pads that cover your tire. they only last one track day and are self heating. But first you have topour water on them then wrap them around your tire. Kinda like the heating pads in M.R.E's
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I ran a 1:59 with my BT014s on my old F4i... (my best lap ever at TWS (Texas World Speedway) ). I believe Scott Dennis has done 1:54s on his old Mille with street tires.

Infact, every trackday I ever did was on BT014s and they were always fantastic. They heated up real quick, gripped real good and lasted pretty long as well. Usually by the end of the 2nd lap they were warm enough to start pushing hard...

I'm still a little dissappointed that I never tried out any DOT race tires, I would have liked to seen firsthand what they were like.
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racer997-tire warmers are pads that cover your tire. they only last one track day and are self heating. But first you have topour water on them then wrap them around your tire. Kinda like the heating pads in M.R.E's
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maybe K5 can help him market this.....

racer997-tire warmers are pads that cover your tire. they only last one track day and are self heating. But first you have topour water on them then wrap them around your tire. Kinda like the heating pads in M.R.E's
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