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Old 11-17-2008, 09:53 PM   #21
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Old 11-17-2008, 09:58 PM   #22
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...and OHR 3 time lol. I bet there will be racing at MSRH though, or hope atleast.
One of the 3 at OHR is a min-only fun-day, should be pretty sweet I think, we did the 8-hr there last year and had a blast.
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Fantastic track, worth every minute's drive.
+11ty million, that track rocks and is worth the drive for sure!!
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Old 11-18-2008, 12:41 AM   #25
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Darn. Why MSRH so greedy? I think the PR CMRA gets from the event would way offset the cost difference, but what do I know. Seems to me a LOT of potential / novice racers in Houston are taking or plan to take the: Street >>>> MSRH >>>> CMRA path these days.
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Old 11-18-2008, 12:49 AM   #26
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. ccs schedule isnt up yet is it? (or maybe i just cant find it)
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Old 11-18-2008, 12:56 AM   #27
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I think many of you are looking at this the wrong way.

I could be wrong, but CMRA seems to be saying that for the TURNOUT that they had this year, compared to other tracks was pretty low at msr, which made it not profitable for them to come back at this time.... again, I could be wrong.

Tracks are in business to make money(I know this first hand lol) CMRA has to be able to make some sort of profit at every event in order to pay workers, keep up maintenance and buy new equipment etc.
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And after reading the thread on the CMRA board i'm going to have to go with "Tightwads" for the daily double.
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Old 11-18-2008, 01:02 AM   #29
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Profitability data for 2008, at all venues including MSRH, is real data, hard numbers, not speculation. I suggest that is good data for the board to use for making the difficult decisions they must make.

Yes, some TX racers must drive farther to HMRC than to MSRH. And certainly, some don't make the trip. However, the demonstrated per-event profitability for HMRC (since you mentioned that track in contrast to MSRH) was still greater than for MSRH by a significant amount in 2008. That is a meaningful apples-to-apples comparison when considering the fiscal health of the organization.

We were told that those venues offering the highest profit to the CMRA were ranked higher when setting the 2009 schedule (with the other factors mentioned by Chris Corder above also taken into consideration with profitability).

Why all this talk about "profit" for a non-profit organization? Above I'm talking about profit in the context of each event. The profit from events is what the CMRA uses to cover costs that are not directly allocable to the event (equipment maintenance, new equipment, office and administrative costs, banking ahead for next year track deposits, etc, etc). No one is taking a "profit" out of the CMRA, but we must have profit from the direct cost of each event to support the overall organization and deliver the services that racers demand.

Further, when we finish a year with substantial 'profit' above all club costs and projections, then the club is in a better position to look at venues that may be less profitable in order to provide some more variety for racers. That is clearly the hope held out for a future return to MSRH in 'better times.


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sounds to me like the "non profit org" is too concerned with making profit. and not concerned with having races at all the tracks. run the cheap one 3 times and the expensive one 0 times. i will make this my only input. as i have never raced cmra, and most likely wont next year.

i will sit back and hope there are 3 CCS races at MSRH.
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Clayton, again, I think you are reading it wrong. If in history, 100 people race at OHR (which costs say 100 bux to rent, and 10 people raced at MSR which costs say 1000 to rent, why would to go to MSR when you are losing money there? By doing so youd be putting yourself out of business, then no one wins.
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i am reading it just fine. more people go there, they make more $ off it. so they are going there.

less people went to msrh last year, and they made less $, so they are not going back.

no confusion.
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i am reading it just fine. more people go there, they make more $ off it. so they are going there.

less people went to msrh last year, and they made less $, so they are not going back.

no confusion.
Why as a business entity run an event where you know youd lose money?

Even tho its non profit, its still a business. Like an example.

SCCA SoloII:

They want to run GSS, but GSS charges a normal track fee along the lines of msr, TWS (Texas World Speedway) etc.

The dog track charges about 60%+ less.

SCCA only charges their drivers like 20 bux to race all day. If they rented GSS, theyd LOSE alot of money every time.

at the dog track they pretty much break even.
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I just dont see it as MSR being greedy, or CMRA being cheap.

I see it as MSR being a normal track, and CMRA being smart.

Again, Im not "in the know" so Im basing my opinions off what I see and know to be fact.
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Agree with you Chris. However, both organizations are losing out, once again, by not reaching an agreement.

MSRH "hosting" CMRA, in theory, means more LMS practice days, track days, member days, and maybe even memberships at MSRH.

CMRA "utilizing" MSRH means increased variety of tracks (good for all of their event's numbers), high visibility of CMRA to Houston's motorsports crowd (like MH), increased safety versus the Hill (don't get me wrong, I looove Oak Hill on a mini), par with CCS on Houston draw.

Someone said last year's event a holiday weekend.....

We all understand why CMRA makes the choices it does, with good justification, we are just sad to see one of our favorite's and a boost to the local economy and race scene, not on the schedule. It probably means a couple hundred folks won't spectate this year.
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Man, this is pitiful.

Clayton, respectfully, you are not understanding the whole picture here. The CMRA is not excluding the Angleton track because they're tight, they're looking to the future.

In order to race at more expensive venues (ECR is one of them too), they have to "save up" money in order to do that.

While maintenance costs and payroll has something to do with the equation (the best run, most organized racing organization I've ever raced with, and I've done WERA, CCS and CRRC), if there is no money in the bank, then they CAN'T schedule an expensive track like the Mercedes Benz Sugar Land Road Course NEXT YEAR.

That's all they're saying.

While it would be nice if the track were able to lower their costs and make it more affordable- apparently, that just wasn't the case, hopefully things will work out next year.

You all act like it's the end of the world, when in actuality, the ones who are , aside from Larry, did either 1 or 0 events with the CMRA last year!

The turn-out was poor at this track last year, and the BOD can only go by the criteria posted in the CMRA section.

Besides, if some of you would step out of your safety cushion, you'd find out that there are about 5 other tracks in this area that are much better than the Angleton track, and would know why we sacrifice time and fuel to go to them.

I'm mildly disappointed that we won't be there this year, but not enough to worry about it in the least. The only thing that I regret is that there is not going to be a round that is less than 30 minutes from my house.

I think the BOD did a fine job of looking at the fiscal health and future of our club, and that in the future, the tracks that lose money for the club will be able to be raced at due to a healthy bank account from the actions of this year.
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Old 11-18-2008, 09:26 AM   #36
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Nice to see someone corrected your spelling for you "lounchpad"
you two just love each other, huh?

Can't we all just get along?
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you two just love each other, huh?

Can't we all just get along?
I get along with Larry just fine actually, but some of his spelling is funny as chit!

Good thing he's fast, he'd never make it if he had a job where he had to spell!
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Moe,

You read what Chris Corder stated about this. Why are you asking this question here?
Becuase I did'nt see it first. If you look at the times of my postings, you'll see I posted here first then read it over there.

MH won't let you edit your threads...

I logged into MH saw Carbon's sticky thread in the racer's section with the whole schedule, ranted it off in here. Then saw a reasons my C.Corder on CMRA.

Besides - the thread here is more open minded and free style if I may say so.

If you know what I mean...

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i will make this my only input. as i have never raced cmra, and most likely wont next year.

i will sit back and hope there are 3 CCS races at MSRH.
WTF are you even talking for? You are totally clueless about the whole thing so pipe down.
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