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Old 11-10-2008, 01:32 PM   #1
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Had the rear sprocket changed from the stock on my ninja 250. I road to san antonio and noticed a drop in torque, but the RPM's were lower on the ride sine it was all level or mostly downhill.

Wow. What a weekend... how about this for a list.

1. My riding partner that I called to setup a ride with (one of my groomsman for goodness sake!) stayed at work too late and passed on the ride I had planned on for weeks, and he had agreed to for over a week. Went by myself
2. Took the wrong way on 337 so I only experienced 1/4 of the Sisters, got lost and ended up at the highway back to i10. Very very sad. It was getting later, so I didn't have time to back track 30min-1 hour because of a wrong turn. I took the directions backward and took ONE wrong turn and it messed it up.
3. Nearly dropped my bike 2 times that weekend with really really stupid little stuff... doing a u turn and went the front wheel touched slightly on the grass edge it slipped. I saved it and the other time but geez... not too smooth.

4. The dropped gearing was embarrassing. I lost ANY torque that I normally had. You know the two fiddy isn't up on the power department, but despite all that, it does have a get up and go. When you hit that power band it will scream and if a competent rider is on it on tight twisty roads it will keep up, and is very light. Well.... I had trouble passing the SLOW cruisers. Basically no torque... a even torque curve, even dropping 2 gears into 4 from 70 gave me no jump in anything but RPM. Holy Cow. I was screaming literally in my helmet on the interstate way home as a SMART CAR passed me hunched over on my tank. Literally I would hit 90 mph tops downhill, and up hill go down to 65-70mph. Dropped 2 gears only helped me stay around 70-80 with max effort. I rode the entire way with the throttle ALL THE WAY OPEN and a DPS trooper wouldn't even have looked at me funny. VERY VERY depressing. I want a Ninja 650 now, but the $$$ doesn't support yet. I'm getting the stock gearing back, since before the new sprocket, the ninja may not be quite as fast, but it definitely was passing 99% of traffic on the interstate before. It's depressing to be leaned into a corner with no real accelerative torque....
5. The temperature dropped quickly near San Antonio so i started shaking it was so bad. 1 hour or more at really cold temperatures with nothing but a t shirt and perforated leather don't work well.
6. Cruiser guys on the freeway passed me making fun of me hunched over, and pretended to be me hunched over, shook their head then set back up straight with their feet comfortablly sprawled out... AND I COULDN'T rev or smoke em and boggy. Would have been alright if I could've said, yeah, but I'm faster.... but really they were. LOL.


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+ I did love the new stainless brake line with HH rated sintered pads. They ROCK compared to the stock on the 250.
+ I found that Tim Ellis @ Ellis Performance is a top notch mechanic and really cares about his customers. He even washed my bike as I was standing there since it had gotten dusty. It was fascinating for a newb like me to watch him troubleshoot a coolant leak. I can't recommend him enough. TOP NOTCH and what service up in Tomball! Tim rocks period.
+ I know now to REDO my map and directions... and bring along a GPS next time out in the middle of nowhere!
+ I'm open to a 650 now for highway... :-)

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Old 11-10-2008, 01:35 PM   #2
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That's how my little 250 always rode; it was never faster. So I upgraded to a 650- WOW! What a difference! Don't wait. Sell that little 250 and buy a USED 650 for the same price. It's worth it.
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+10000 on Tim being da man!

I was thinking about changing out the gearing but in the end the trade of wasn't worth it me so I stick w/stock and can hang w/the big boys as long as they wait up
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+10000 on Tim being da man!

I was thinking about changing out the gearing but in the end the trade of wasn't worth it me so I stick w/stock and can hang w/the big boys as long as they wait up

I DON'T RECOMMEND the gearing change. The 250 is plenty to keep up with other riders that keep it just above the speed limit. I've ridden with 1000 cc's and kept up and they were semi aggressive. Its those long straight aways that they liked gunning it on that was the problem.

I love the 250! BUT the soul of that bike disappeared. It became a screamer with no substance.
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Old 11-10-2008, 01:49 PM   #7
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Really? So I could sell my 250 for $1900 (what I owe) and get a good quality sv650 for under $3k? That seems tough. I don't have the cash to pay, I have to finance right now... so you really think there are solid 650's out there for that price? I was thinking of waiting, saving up and getting one of the 09 Ninja 650's, i really like the seating position for my daily commute, and still has some . The new body style with 09's is sweet. Only thing they need to get rid of is that ugly banana seat.
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yeah I was going to try to get the RPMs lower, but then when I realized it took away from my top end I said NO!
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if you're gonna finance you'd be better off getting used that way IF you decide to sell you can recoup most of what you paid
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hey specter, if you're looking for a 650 shoot badapple a pm. he's got a black 650r that he is thinking of selling (its clean too). what year is your 250?
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-brand new back brake (kevlar or cermaic, since the back locks easy I kept it to a lesser strength)
-Valves just adjusted, carbs just cleaned
- Brand new rear Pirelli sport demon tire, front tire has 50-60% of life left.
-Brand new chain with master link rivet (stronger, did i spell that right?!? :-0).
- new o rings on the coolant system.
- Brand new sprockets.
- Brakes just recently bled and cleaned with new fluid. Oil changed, coolant changed out.
- Not YET, but thinking about adding dual Yoshi pipes.

It's in nice shape, 2 different areas with slight body work damage from the previous owner (had it for 500 miles and messed it up a little), but nothing I haven't lived with! It's not too bad.

Black 650r? Do you know asking price, and if any mods (exhaust etc) has been done.
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btw: i already found his bike: http://www.motohouston.com/forums/sh...50#post1510350

Pretty sweet ride. I like the muzzy's sound.
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i am not sure i understand why people would change the rear sprocket to bring rpm down, what little power the 250 has is all top end!
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right. its too lower the rpms at highway speeds. Great for flatlander commuters. I'm heavy on the throttle and ride aggressive, so I wasn't aware that it would suck the soul out of the bike. Its mainly to prevent REALLY high rpms for high cruising. I cruise on the freeway way above what most other bikes do on my 250.
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Pretty sweet ride. I like the muzzy's sound.
that muzzy is loud. shoot him a pm, i'm sure arranging for you to take a look at it wouldn't be a problem. as far as price i don't remember what he was asking.
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I went to San Antonio this weekend too, but it was in a car and I went at the last minute at 11pm Friday night. Guess I didn't see you there.
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right. its too lower the rpms at highway speeds. Great for flatlander commuters. I'm heavy on the throttle and ride aggressive, so I wasn't aware that it would suck the soul out of the bike. Its mainly to prevent REALLY high rpms for high cruising. I cruise on the freeway way above what most other bikes do on my 250.
dude, you are freaking crazy huh? if you dropped the size of the rear sprocket, you get more top end speed, what did you get, another 4-5 mph maybe? not much with what you're working with. if you did it to drop rpm's, i don't know what the to tell you.

[QUOTE]I rode the entire way with the throttle ALL THE WAY OPEN /QUOTE]
this can not be healthy for that bike at all, that should be a no no for you on a 250. if you're looking to go faster than 100 or so, you def. need a different bike b/c you aren't going to do anything to get much more than that out of that beast.
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