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Old 11-10-2008, 01:19 AM   #1
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MSR-Cresson Lap Times - Track Day Times

What are respectable lap times, at this facility, for track day guys? 1.7 mile lay out. Say the equivalent of 48's and below at MSR-Houston.
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From the CMRA race in August...

Novice Superbike A average lap time for the race
Counterclockwise

1st place Jeremy Kidd 1:20.7
2nd place Brandon Cleland 1:21.4

mid pack
Brandon Young 1:26.1
Chance Watson 1:26.7

back of the pack
John Bailek 1:32.3
Jay Garrett 1:34.5

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Expert SuperBike A
Counter clockwise

First place Dustin Dominguez 1:16.7 average lap time
Second place Kevin Pate 1:17.1 average lap time

mid pack
Van Blalock 1:19.6

back of the pack
Bruce Keene 1:28.0
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From the CMRA race in August...

Novice Superbike A average lap time for the race
Counterclockwise

1st place Jeremy Kidd 1:20.7
2nd place Brandon Cleland 1:21.4

mid pack
Brandon Young 1:26.1
Chance Watson 1:26.7

back of the pack
John Bailek 1:32.3
Jay Garrett 1:34.5
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Expert SuperBike A
Counter clockwise

First place Dustin Dominguez 1:16.7 average lap time
Second place Kevin Pate 1:17.1 average lap time

mid pack
Van Blalock 1:19.6

back of the pack
Bruce Keene 1:28.0
Why is mid pack Novice faster than back of the pack Expert?
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Lap record is 1:13 / Ty Howard.

That is unreal.
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Why is mid pack Novice faster than back of the pack Expert?
Sometimes people just wanted to run with the experts. Othertimes it can be caused being ranked top 5 in a class that isn't as competetive.
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Why is a fast expert club racer a mid-pack (or worse) AMA racer?

In the real world of promotion from novice to expert in club racing, lap times aren't absolute, definitive and the be-all, end all. Lots of factors are involved beyond lap times when it comes to novice / expert promotion and distinction.
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Why is a fast expert club racer a mid-pack (or worse) AMA racer?

In the real world of promotion from novice to expert in club racing, lap times aren't absolute, definitive and the be-all, end all. Lots of factors are involved beyond lap times when it comes to novice / expert promotion and distinction.

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In 2005 as a prov novice I ran 1:28's there in a four hour endurance race clockwise on an 01' GSXR 6 on race takeoffs. First time to ride there. Average lap maybe 1:29's. Dropped to 1:32's in traffic. Fast lap maybe 1:27. I felt like I was running in the slower third of folks on the track. I passed some people, but not many. I was getting passed all day long by SV650's with more skilled riders. Ty ran a 1:18 that day.

My next time on the track, at MSRH in 2007, counterclockwise, half day at a track day I managed 1:53 - 1:55's on my SV650. Fast time that day was in the 1:41's for Haner and Sanchez.

Then 1:57's on my Busa at another full track day at MSRH in 2007.

Next time out was GSS this October, half day track day, first time there, ran 1:08's or so on full track.

I'd guess 1:48's at MSRH put you around 1:24 - 1:25's at MSRC.
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In 2005 as a prov novice I ran 1:28's there in a four hour endurance race clockwise on an 01' GSXR 6 on race takeoffs. First time to ride there. Average lap maybe 1:29's. Dropped to 1:32's in traffic. Fast lap maybe 1:27. I felt like I was running in the slower third of folks on the track. I passed some people, but not many. I was getting passed all day long by SV650's with more skilled riders. Ty ran a 1:18 that day.

My next time on the track, at MSRH in 2007, counterclockwise, half day at a track day I managed 1:53 - 1:55's on my SV650. Fast time that day was in the 1:41's for Haner and Sanchez.

Then 1:57's on my Busa at another full track day at MSRH in 2007.

Next time out was GSS this October, half day track day, first time there, ran 1:08's or so on full track.

I'd guess 1:48's at MSRH put you around 1:24 - 1:25's at MSRC.
Sounds about right. 28:30 was my best yesterday and I felt on the edge at times. I need more seat time there or anywhere for that matter. But I was 5 or 6 seconds faster than my last time there just a couple of months ago.
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The times will come on their own... worry about body poistion, entry speed, exit speed, looking through the turn, blah, blah, blah...
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As a rank newbie who sucks at braking, but can get a knee down a time or two a lap, my best there has been 1:33.5
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From the CMRA race in August...

Novice Superbike A average lap time for the race
Counterclockwise

1st place Jeremy Kidd 1:20.7
2nd place Brandon Cleland 1:21.4

mid pack
Brandon Young 1:26.1
Chance Watson 1:26.7

back of the pack
John Bailek 1:32.3
Jay Garrett 1:34.5
That's not a real good comparison since Superbike A novice is not a grid/race that most novices will gravitate towards. If you look at Superstock-C or Superstock-B you'll get a better feel for where you fall into as far as a "race" pack. Your ability to get a good start and getting through traffic without missing a beat helps. My best time at Cresson has been a 1:22 but I usually do 23's-24's fairly consistantly.
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