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Old 10-30-2008, 08:24 PM   #1
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Building a all motor 600 for HP

I love turbo's, who doesnt, but I have always liked the idea of a ~130 hp 600 normally aspirated engine. What would one need to do to make that kind of power? I would assume porting the heads, cams, and a good map could accomplish this without even touching the bottom end. Maybe a thinner copper head gasket to slightly bump compression. yay or neh?

I know the formula extreme and superbikes make more power than that but Im lookin into more of a streetable motor. must be under 13:1 compression to run 93 octane, must be reliable (get 20k miles out of it!!!) and make gobs of power.

Basically i want a 750 killer.

Anyone have any links to build threads or pages where they have built some monster 600's?
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Old 10-30-2008, 08:46 PM   #2
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Just put a 750 in it, it would be cheaper.
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when you start messing with the motor making mods is when you start having problems so i say +3 to the 750 motor./
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Unfortunately, doing all that work would not be worth it, as mentioned above. A motor drop is your best option.



want more acceleration? swap out the sprockets... will feel like 130hp, all the way up to 140 lol....
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Motors like that are not built for the long run. In AMA most the motors are used once then torn down. evan some of the qualify bikes are 10 lap motors, gobs of power but dont last.

750 FTMFW!
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I started a thread a ways back. Search for "turbo bike" and see what ya find.

we've already had this discussion
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cheapist way is to buy a 1000 and put a 600 sticker on it.

Suzuki squids aka everyone, wont know the difference anyway and if they say "isint that a 1000" just say "Lol no you noob cant you read?"
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i think you guys are missing the point.
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Just put a 750 in it, it would be cheaper.
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You will waste a ton of money building a 600, considering you can get an old SRAD 750 for $500-600 used......but you have to mod the frame to get it to mount up.

If you are dead set on building a 600 and have tons of loot to spend, here is a recipe:

1) 2 or 3 mill over piston kit, 13-1 compression(probably about a 670-690cc)
2) Fully ported head, serdi valve job, good springs
3) Yoshimura stg 1 cams or custom Megacycle cams
4) If the bike is carbed, get some 38 mm Keihen FCR carbs(flat slides), if its injected, you will have to port the TBs or use some TBs off of a 750.
5) air box modifications for both carbed or injected bikes
6) a GOOD exhaust system(akro, Ti Force, Leo Vince)

I would go check out www.carpenterracing.com and have him do everything for you. Be prepared to spend $4k+ on this and MAYBE get 130rwhp. It would be strong(compared to stock) and reliable but definetly not cost effective. You could also stroke it but the reliability goes down the tubes then. Remember the Formula Extreme bikes make 170-180hp but are torn down after every freakin race AND they are about $10k+ per engine.


Bang for the buck would be to slap a 750 or 1k engine in it but I know the motor mounts are different so be preppared to cut and weld a lot on the frame. Best bet would be to sell it and buy something bigger to start with.
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You will waste a ton of money building a 600, considering you can get an old SRAD 750 for $500-600 used......but you have to mod the frame to get it to mount up.

If you are dead set on building a 600 and have tons of loot to spend, here is a recipe:

1) 2 or 3 mill over piston kit, 13-1 compression(probably about a 670-690cc)
2) Fully ported head, serdi valve job, good springs
3) Yoshimura stg 1 cams or custom Megacycle cams
4) If the bike is carbed, get some 38 mm Keihen FCR carbs(flat slides), if its injected, you will have to port the TBs or use some TBs off of a 750.
5) air box modifications for both carbed or injected bikes
6) a GOOD exhaust system(akro, Ti Force, Leo Vince)

I would go check out www.carpenterracing.com and have him do everything for you. Be prepared to spend $4k+ on this and MAYBE get 130rwhp. It would be strong(compared to stock) and reliable but definetly not cost effective. You could also stroke it but the reliability goes down the tubes then. Remember the Formula Extreme bikes make 170-180hp but are torn down after every freakin race AND they are about $10k+ per engine.


Bang for the buck would be to slap a 750 or 1k engine in it but I know the motor mounts are different so be preppared to cut and weld a lot on the frame. Best bet would be to sell it and buy something bigger to start with.
Thanks for the great response. Sounds like stickin a stocker in there is my best bet . I may have to just look into a 750 or 1k engine sometime soon. I have a SRAD frome so the SRAD 750 would be a drop in except I would have to rebuild the rear mount that I cut off when I put in the 04' motor. I dont want any carbs this time around. I still have my srad motor and Im either going to sell it or go-kart it (if I ever find time for that damnit). Either that.......or build a junkyard turbo kit....get all my ducks in a row (after studyin your buidl thread for a few days)......or just blow the motor up.

On that note, how are turbos usually done on carbed bikes? blow through design or what?
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geeezus christ ! another rocket scientist trying to re-engineer the wheel. why spend dollars to get pennies. if u wanna go fast. buy a new bike. there are plenty of stock 130+ hp bikes on the market these days. get rid of that vintage ur on and step into the modern world jr ! the only person ur fooling is urself
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geeezus christ ! another rocket scientist trying to re-engineer the wheel. why spend dollars to get pennies. if u wanna go fast. buy a new bike. there are plenty of stock 130+ hp bikes on the market these days. get rid of that vintage ur on and step into the modern world jr ! the only person ur fooling is urself
i think he has the extra time and money to spend, so its to easy just to buy a 750 and do a swap. thats wat i would do if i had extra time and money and didnt care. (modify a 600 and try to beat a 750)...but who knows
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modifying a bike is always fun but be ready to spend alot of down time etc while others w stock bikes wanna keep riding.

as mentioned above, is it worth to boast about time and money spent on a bike that may not beat a stock 600 of newer years? I'd give anyone props for attempting that much work, but I wouldnt consider it bragging rights unless it could consistantly beat something of a larger engine size.

also considering, the newer bikes are lighter, built for cornering etc. so if you do beat them in a drag race can the bike continue to perform in a long country road ride too?

Just things to consider. 4k is 4k to invest as your choice; remember wiring harnesses and plenty of spare time/money for all the little things not considered initially. And when it comes to resale you wont get what you put into it(anything closer to stock will get better review over a modified bike)
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geeezus christ ! another rocket scientist trying to re-engineer the wheel. why spend dollars to get pennies. if u wanna go fast. buy a new bike. there are plenty of stock 130+ hp bikes on the market these days. get rid of that vintage ur on and step into the modern world jr ! the only person ur fooling is urself
Wow dont be a total or anything In the future feel free to rid the world of your useless posts and save the time it takes you to mash your head against the keyboard enough to post up..

Besides I never asked "whats the cheapest way to make 130hp" now did I? No I didnt. I happen to be interested in things that your obviously not so why dont you go buy your bike, that anyone with $8k can go buy..... Ill stick to buildin mine. Bikes are just like hotrods....REAL hotrods are BUILT not bought. And besides this "vintage " happens to do evertying i need it to do and them some and all for 1/10 the insurance bill as your choice of bike. If I wanted something off the shelf I would buy it, thats obvioulsy not what I want. so in short... GO YOURSELF
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Wow dont be a total or anything In the future feel free to rid the world of your useless posts and save the time it takes you to mash your head against the keyboard enough to post up..

Besides I never asked "whats the cheapest way to make 130hp" now did I? No I didnt. I happen to be interested in things that your obviously not so why dont you go buy your bike, that anyone with $8k can go buy..... Ill stick to buildin mine. Bikes are just like hotrods....REAL hotrods are BUILT not bought. And besides this "vintage " happens to do evertying i need it to do and them some and all for 1/10 the insurance bill as your choice of bike. If I wanted something off the shelf I would buy it, thats obvioulsy not what I want. so in short... GO YOURSELF


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Wow dont be a total or anything In the future feel free to rid the world of your useless posts and save the time it takes you to mash your head against the keyboard enough to post up..

Besides I never asked "whats the cheapest way to make 130hp" now did I? No I didnt. I happen to be interested in things that your obviously not so why dont you go buy your bike, that anyone with $8k can go buy..... Ill stick to buildin mine. Bikes are just like hotrods....REAL hotrods are BUILT not bought. And besides this "vintage " happens to do evertying i need it to do and them some and all for 1/10 the insurance bill as your choice of bike. If I wanted something off the shelf I would buy it, thats obvioulsy not what I want. so in short... GO YOURSELF
more power to ya dumb go build the most expensive, slow pile of you possibly can. i need a good laugh

oh one more thing... i dont ride a street bike, so i dont pay insurance have a nice day

go yourself. gee that hurt. i think im gonna go cry
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