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Old 10-30-2008, 08:06 AM   #1
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Question Question from da noobie!!

Ive had a couple of ppl tell me to get some seat time in on a mini, and even go-karts....all in turn helping me me at the track on my 600...

question is..how much does it help? what exactly is it helping? and why? and what else helps (and dont say track days or private lessons...)?

I know season is almost over... but im already planning my next season!



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Any seat time helps. Minis are good because you can learn a lot of skills that transfer to the big bikes, and it is easier(cheaper) to get track time. Dirtbikes would help too in the offseason. Just about any time you can spend on a bike would help improve your skills on the track. If your bike is still streetable, you can practice some of your braking and turn techniques on the street. I would not however go into a full lean on the street, or practice your TWS (Texas World Speedway) front straight tuck on the street!
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seat time and big nu...i mean...heart
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one big thing you learn on a mini is how effective weighting the pegs becomes. with minis your confidence level may be raised considerably, they are more nimble and easier to maneuver around the turns, you can practice techniques on minis that will spill over onto the bigger bikes. Mini racing is a great learning tool.
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Old 10-30-2008, 10:16 AM   #6
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.... okay but what about us big tall people like me an Curt I dont think what we would fit on a mini like you little people
Not sure how big you fellas are, but I am 6' 205, and will be riding a kx65. I also have a kx85 (for sale by the way ) that I ride and it will more than accomodate a big guy.
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Not sure how big you fellas are, but I am 6' 205, and will be riding a kx65. I also have a kx85 (for sale by the way ) that I ride and it will more than accomodate a big guy.
FYI, I'm 6'4" - 215# and Curt makes me look like a dwarf
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I think the best and quickest way to learn to go fast is an XR100 or = setup w/ knobby front and a cut Cheng Shin street rear.

Then go out to a field somewhere and setup a roadcourse w/ cones or something. Make sure to have all types of turns. Then get out the stop watch.
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seat time and big nu...i mean...heart

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.....well minus heart and add nuts
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The only thing I can see a go-kart helping would be in learning a track.
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one big thing you learn on a mini is how effective weighting the pegs becomes. with minis your confidence level may be raised considerably, they are more nimble and easier to maneuver around the turns, you can practice techniques on minis that will spill over onto the bigger bikes. Mini racing is a great learning tool.
thats what im hearing...

but wouldnt just saying "hey, make sure u put weight on the pegs" be as effective?

i feel like if i try mini stuff, im taking a step back in a way. (i know all seat time helps)...but i just dont get it....

not trying to be stubborn. only trying to understand.
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In my humble opinion, of watching you ride on several track days, is that for the most part, your form is there, better than mine. You are smooth and consistent.

However.....

If you are trying to get faster, then where I see you're lacking is braking, getting on it sooner when exiting and straight away speed.

You have some that will say, just ride, be smooth, have fun, etc etc etc. And that is fine for those with that mentality. I do not know you mentality or future plans.

For me, it has become, simply about seat time, braking a little later, line, standing the bike up sooner and pushing it to the edge at least 10 laps in an entire day. My lap timer determines whether I have succeeded. THat is just MY experience. I care about lap times, some don't.

But in order for me, again I say, PERSONALLY, to do this, Ihave to NOT be scared to wreck and NOT be afraid to un some money of I do wreck.

So, riding anything, motard, mini, fiddy, etc etc, will certainly help you. But if you dont have the nuts to push it, on occassion, I would anticipate a plateau or a long time to getting fast.

Again though, it all depends on what your long term plans are with motorcycling.

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thats what im hearing...

but wouldnt just saying "hey, make sure u put weight on the pegs" be as effective?

i feel like if i try mini stuff, im taking a step back in a way. (i know all seat time helps)...but i just dont get it....

not trying to be stubborn. only trying to understand.
in a sense, it is taking a step back. but sometimes you gotta take one step back to make a few steps forward. slowing things down (speeds of a mini) will help you understand more about what you are doing and where you can improve.

you can use cones to setup 1 turn.....with diff colored cones as brake markers. and work your way past the cones to successfully make the turn. that's one way to help you go deep on the brakes. except when you transfer that skill over to the big bikes.....it's a lot faster and a lot less forgiving.

learn the limits of a mini.....and it'll help learn the limits of the big bike.
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oh yeah, careful now, crashing sucks....but it helps you become faster once you overcome the crash.
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I'd say minis are not a step back, or slower. A YSR / NSR can turn much harder than a full size street bike, and the speeds you run at fit the track.

The biggest advantage is that your body position and inputs have a much larger impact on a 150 pound mini as opposed to a 400 lb streetbike. And at corner speeds under 30 MPH sliding one or both tires is an excercise in learning, not crashing.

TMGP is the cheapest and easiest way to go. For Endurance it's about $25 an hour to the organization and costs about $20 an hour for fuel, tires, pistons, oil, gas... So for a typical endurance race you get 2-4 riders and split fees, plus track entry, and it come to about $50 an hour.

Compare this to CMRA or even trackdays and it's maybe 1/3 the cost.

The key points you will learn are body positioning, cornering skills, picking a bike up from a slide with your knee, tucking in, braking, gassing early....everything you need to go fast on a big bike....with complete confidence. That's why a ton of the new crop of fast guys in AMA, MotoGP, etc.. have mini experience.
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Best experience I gained from the mini's is getting comfortable with the bike sliding around and beeing in such close quarters with other riders.

You can experiment with different body possitioning and techniques and most the time, if you wreck, you just pick up your bike, bend your shifter back in place and get on down the road.

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Shadman beat me to it.
Seems he's faster than me on here as well as the mini track. haha.

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mini's teach you corner speed. and how to maintain it.
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i feel like if i try mini stuff, im taking a step back in a way. (i know all seat time helps)...but i just dont get it....

In order to be "fast" on a mini you gotta learn to stay in it, brake less, brake later, etc. All of this transfers to big bikes in the form of more corner speed. Anyone can whack the throttle open coming out of turns, but the races are won and lost in the corners.
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Ask yourself one thing; Why would Colin Edwards race minis and it not be applicable to your need to race minis?
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