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Old 10-27-2008, 06:04 PM   #41
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I rode a Vertemati a few years ago that a friend of a friend had as a flat tracker. (It was more motard than flat tracker, though.) It hauled azz, but wasn't appreciably better than a good CRF, especially when considering parts network stateside. The same guy had a VOR, which hauled even more azz and was just as incredibly hard and expensive to get parts for.
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Old 10-27-2008, 06:09 PM   #42
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i have a 2006 honda crf 450r supermoto that i am looking to get rid of very soon, bike has low hours and is pretty much stock besides the wheels.clean texas title
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Old 10-27-2008, 06:11 PM   #43
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I'm leaning towards the Aprilia. Questions still remain over 450 vs. 550 and new versus used. Considering how I'd use it, not clear that a new bike makes much sense, particularly at that price.
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Old 10-27-2008, 06:19 PM   #44
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Warranty??!!! Talk more with Larry about the warranty coverage and support he got.
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Old 10-27-2008, 06:21 PM   #45
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Here ya go Curt. Read the specs below. Yeah it's an offroader, but what a starting package to build the baddest motard on the planet. 685cc of 2 stroke power and 238 lb. dry weight. It's called the Intimidator and is special order only. msrp $10,495.00


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Aluminum Billet Hubs WP 48mm USD Forks Reiger Rear Suspension Pro-Taper Oversize Handlebars O-ring Chain FMF Silencer / Spark Arrestor Nickel Plated Exhaust Removable Sub-Frame Black Frame All Black Plastic All Black Rims Kickstand Hydraulic Clutch Power Valve Compression Release Brembo Brakes

TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS:
Engine Type: 2-Stroke Single
Displacement: 685cc / 616cc
Bore and stroke: 700: 100 X 87mm
620: 95 X 87mm
Cooling: Liquid Cooled
Compression ratio: 700: 10.9:1
620: 10.3:1
Horsepower: 700: 78HP
620: 76HP
Carburetion: 39mm Keihin
Ignition: SEM 130w
Transmission: 5-speed
Starting system: Kick
Fuel capacity: 2.5 Gallon
Wheelbase: 58.5-inches
Seat height: 37.2-inches
Ground clearance: 14.0-inches
Front wheel travel: 12.0-inches
Rear wheel travel: 12.6-inches
Front brake: 260mm Rotor
Rear brake: 220mm Rotor
Dry Weight: 238lbs.
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Old 10-27-2008, 06:22 PM   #46
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He had good coverage with the warranty, right? He blew a motor and so did Jody.
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Old 10-27-2008, 06:24 PM   #47
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Here ya go Curt. Read the specs below. Yeah it's an offroader, but what a starting package to build the baddest motard on the planet. 685cc of 2 stroke power and 238 lb. dry weight. It's called the Intimidator and is special order only. msrp $10,495.00


STANDARD FEATURES:
Aluminum Billet Hubs WP 48mm USD Forks Reiger Rear Suspension Pro-Taper Oversize Handlebars O-ring Chain FMF Silencer / Spark Arrestor Nickel Plated Exhaust Removable Sub-Frame Black Frame All Black Plastic All Black Rims Kickstand Hydraulic Clutch Power Valve Compression Release Brembo Brakes

TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS:
Engine Type: 2-Stroke Single
Displacement: 685cc / 616cc
Bore and stroke: 700: 100 X 87mm
620: 95 X 87mm
Cooling: Liquid Cooled
Compression ratio: 700: 10.9:1
620: 10.3:1
Horsepower: 700: 78HP
620: 76HP
Carburetion: 39mm Keihin
Ignition: SEM 130w
Transmission: 5-speed
Starting system: Kick
Fuel capacity: 2.5 Gallon
Wheelbase: 58.5-inches
Seat height: 37.2-inches
Ground clearance: 14.0-inches
Front wheel travel: 12.0-inches
Rear wheel travel: 12.6-inches
Front brake: 260mm Rotor
Rear brake: 220mm Rotor
Dry Weight: 238lbs.
Great power, outstanding weight, but JUST SAY NO TO TWO STROKES... that power band? I'd kill myself. I also want something ready to roll out of the box, no conversion.
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Yeah he did, and Mike Rawski had isses with his Aprilia puking fluids on the rear tire that caused him a nasty get off in the Diamonds edge. I believe Larry is getting factory motors after his win in the 600cc class on it with CCS this year.
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Old 10-27-2008, 06:28 PM   #49
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That's the one thing that spooks me about the Aprilia. They seem to have a lot of maintenance issues. The 550 in particular.
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Old 10-27-2008, 07:04 PM   #50
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After a failure to see eye to eye with my Lawyer I have decided NOT to seek a settlement from Piaggio. &%*&^%^ Lawyers!!! They wanted to go after EVERYONE remotely involved! Sorry, I value friends over money. Anyway, I'm back to a buy back and I have full support from AF1 and apparently even Piaggio.

Curt, call AF1 and talk to Ed or Micah.
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Old 10-27-2008, 07:25 PM   #51
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I'd personally be all over an SXV4.5 if I had the cash... after riding one as much as I have I will say it's definately one of the most fun bikes I've ever ridden, and will teach you tons about riding quickly.
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Old 10-27-2008, 07:56 PM   #52
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FWIW, my experience with motards are as follows.

Warning...long winded...

1st one was in 2000 (or whatever year the DRZ400E came out) I took one, made it street legal and added Avon Distanzia tires to the stock wheels. Absolutely abused it in the Hill country and a few track days. NEVER had one issue with it.

I bought MacMan's old XR400R Honda that the owner after MacMan, and before me, converted to street use. No problems at all, handled great, grins ear to ear. Highly recommended for street use and playing around if you don't mind being down on power to the KTM's and Aprilias.

Same time I also had a 1996 kTM620 that I ran street tires on with stock rims. Still lots of fun but rattled like crazy and was only left handed kick start.

Finally pulled the trigger and bought a 2006 KTM 450 SMR. It's the best one I've had, although I am still trying to learn to ride it faster.

I rode a modified Duc Hypermotard in the Hill Country and enjoyed it, but it is too heavy to be a motard in my book.

I've ridden an Aprila 450 motard for a few hundred miles and I thought it vibrated too much. The 550's had trouble, but I think they are better now with the new models. I would check with Micah and the others at AF-1.

Trying to follow Larry around on his 450 at GSS shows that the 450 in the right hands can FLY (and I need more practice cuz I am not nearly that fast).

I have a CRF450R in dirt trim, although I haven't ridden a motarded CRF450, I can imagine it would be more than enough fun. I picked mine up fairly cheap and the idea of picking up an extra set of wheels is sounding pretty good.

Don't worry too much about the power. The ones I have ridden had between 30hp to over 50hp. All are good for grins as it is the cornering that is fun, don't waste time worrying about the straights, you will make up lots of time in the turns over the street bikes.

The Hypermotard and 950 KTM aren't what I would consider true motards due to weight. Even at my 260 lbs, I love riding light bikes.

Used ones can be had fairly reasonable if you are patient.

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Old 10-27-2008, 08:02 PM   #53
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complete bullshit. more blind leading the blind.

which part do you think is bullshit?
i own one and what i posted was by experience.....
and for the record,i dont actually believe the superduke IS a motard.
but for bigger guys like myself(240 lbs)it as motard as Im going..........
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Old 10-27-2008, 08:06 PM   #54
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Personally Curt I'd look for a CRF 450 that has already been converted. Nothing is as reliable as a HONDA. Don't think even Jody will argue that one.
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I rode a Vertemati a few years ago that a friend of a friend had as a flat tracker. (It was more motard than flat tracker, though.) It hauled azz, but wasn't appreciably better than a good CRF, especially when considering parts network stateside. The same guy had a VOR, which hauled even more azz and was just as incredibly hard and expensive to get parts for.
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...but for bigger guys like myself(240 lbs)it as motard as Im going..........
I'm even bigger and the lightweight Aprilia was a hoot!!
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Personally Curt I'd look for a CRF 450 that has already been converted. Nothing is as reliable as a HONDA. Don't think even Jody will argue that one.
no arguement there. i agree. i told him that in a phone conversation yesterday.
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which part do you think is bullshit?
i own one and what i posted was by experience.....
and for the record,i dont actually believe the superduke IS a motard.
but for bigger guys like myself(240 lbs)it as motard as Im going..........
i dont feel like argueing over ur uneducated statements. u obviously dont have a clue what a supermoto bike is, so we will just leave it at that. enjoy ur duke (400+ lb. naked bike).
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