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View Poll Results: GP Shift pattern
Dont need it 63 55.75%
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Old 10-28-2008, 12:42 PM   #41
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Looks like were tied. Ill flip it after TWS (Texas World Speedway) in November so I have plenty of time to see if I like it and if I do I should be used to it before next season starts


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Old 10-28-2008, 01:31 PM   #42
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Do racers clutchless downshift alot? I hear them blipping the throttle, and that's not a clutchless shift is it?

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even with a slipper clutch...blipping the throttle still helps for smoother shifting. it's a good habit to blip the throttle even with a slipper clutch.

i'll clutchless downshift on the street or during a cool off lap, but while coming into a corner i use the clutch to downshift since i feather out the clutch up until somewhere near the apex.
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I use my clutch to upshift, I use my cluth to downshift, I use it any and everytime I shift. I had an R6 and stripped the tansmission from trying all that clutchless shifting. NEVER AGAIN. I don't want to learn it, it dosnt seem to slow me down. I do BLIP now though and its made a huge difference
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Old 10-28-2008, 01:52 PM   #44
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I think it's VERY EASY to get used to.... push down to go fast, pull up to slow down. As somebody mentioned previously, it does seem more natural. Why it's backwards, I have no idea. Probably a Brit designed the first motorcycle trans. Ba ha ha ha.

It's all in your head, mind games. I have tried it and screwed up many trackdays almost killing myself all those times for making mistakes because of old habits. Got tired of learning it and now switched it back to standard and still adjusting back to standard/normal.
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With the new slipper clutches that are on the market, you can down shift with out clutch to a point. At a certain R.P.M. the is to much tention on the plates.
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I use my clutch to upshift, I use my cluth to downshift, I use it any and everytime I shift. I had an R6 and stripped the tansmission from trying all that clutchless shifting. NEVER AGAIN. I don't want to learn it, it dosnt seem to slow me down. I do BLIP now though and its made a huge difference
your conviction suprises me. Good luck with that.
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We'll get him doing clutchless upshifts. It the clutchless downshifts that I'm not sold on.
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your conviction suprises me. Good luck with that.
Why? What is wrong with using the clutch up and down?

I only use the clutch down shifting because I have a quick shifter for the up shifts. Before I had the quick shifter, I used the clutch up and down... what's the big deal?
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blip it to match engine/trans speed and drop the gear.........once you relief pressure off of the gears and its done
OK I'm confused. How do you blip on a clutchless downshift? I can do it in a car or truck but I'm passing thru neutral. How do you do it on a bike?
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OK I'm confused. How do you blip on a clutchless downshift? I can do it in a car or truck but I'm passing thru neutral. How do you do it on a bike?
Hey, don't be going all technical on us. If the guy can blip the throttle while it's in gear and then downshift, woo hoo! Ba ha ha ha ha.
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Thing is, I was chasing Trevor around Saturday and I saw him downshift a couple times without the clutch. Sounded like he blipped the throttle too, but I just can't make it compute in my old and feeble mind.
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Thing is, I was chasing Trevor around Saturday and I saw him downshift a couple times without the clutch. Sounded like he blipped the throttle too, but I just can't make it compute in my old and feeble mind.
Nor can I...... let's try it on somebody elses bike.
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Why? What is wrong with using the clutch up and down?

I only use the clutch down shifting because I have a quick shifter for the up shifts. Before I had the quick shifter, I used the clutch up and down... what's the big deal?
Nothing really except the idea that it doesn't cost him time. Any time you've got the clutch lever pulled in, you're not accelerating. I could easily see this costing a few tenths a lap, especially on a longer track like TWS (Texas World Speedway)
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While you CAN do clutchless downshifts it is NOT a good idea. I know as soon as I say this someone will say they been doin it for years no problem, but the transmission on a modern bike is not designed for that.
The way the gears engage it is OK to clutchless upshift, with good technique, but downshifting is a good way to tear up some expensive parts.
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Nothing really except the idea that it doesn't cost him time. Any time you've got the clutch lever pulled in, you're not accelerating. I could easily see this costing a few tenths a lap, especially on a longer track like TWS (Texas World Speedway)
Tenths? No. Hundredths or thousands? Maybe.

If pulling in the clutch is costing you time, you've got bigger problems than that (I use the term "you" as a generalization, not directed at any one person).

I see the MotoGP racers using the clutch on downshift all the time, I think they're pretty fast...
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While you CAN do clutchless downshifts it is NOT a good idea. I know as soon as I say this someone will say they been doin it for years no problem, but the transmission on a modern bike is not designed for that.
The way the gears engage it is OK to clutchless upshift, with good technique, but downshifting is a good way to tear up some expensive parts.
Care to be more technical? The engagement mechanism and action are IDENTICAL upshifting and downshifting. The only difference MIGHT be the amount of torque applied to the engagement dogs at the moment of engagement.
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Nothing really except the idea that it doesn't cost him time. Any time you've got the clutch lever pulled in, you're not accelerating. I could easily see this costing a few tenths a lap, especially on a longer track like TWS (Texas World Speedway)
agreed. clutchless upshifts take a fraction of the time it takes to grab clutch and shift.

and if you need to shift up while leaned over, if you're not smooth with the clutch, it upsets the bike also.
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Tenths? No. Hundredths or thousands? Maybe.

If pulling in the clutch is costing you time, you've got bigger problems than that (I use the term "you" as a generalization, not directed at any one person).

I see the MotoGP racers using the clutch on downshift all the time, I think they're pretty fast...

The person I was quoting stated that they used the clutch for every single shift (down AND up), every time, without fail, and would NOT do otherwise. If you clutched every single shift you ever did out on the track it'd definetly cost you more than a hundredth. I'd wager that it'd cost you a hundreth of a second every upshift. I'm pretty sure most people shift at least 10 times on a typical lap at TWS (Texas World Speedway).
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