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Old 10-21-2008, 06:47 AM   #1
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So this is how it was explained to me yesterday and I am facinated!

The fast guys say.....

"If you want to be the fastest, you basically crash and save in every corner. You come in soooo hard that the front tucks, then you save it, then you get on the gas until right before you highside, then you back off a little and save it"

Holy man.

I wanna do it!
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ever watch a world superbike race? thier losing it the entire race and the guy riding nice and smooth loses!
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If your undies are still white, you are not trying hard enough. Racing is THE biggest rush on a bike you can get. I can lay in bed at night and think about gridding up and going into T1 and my heart starts to race. Really!! At my age I'm not sure that is a good thing. Thank for Formula 40.........
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Every corner is a controlled crash. To a point. As your tires wear, track surface heats up, rubber is layed down, brakes start to go away, and suspension heats up, you make adjustments threw out the race to keep the bike at the maximum limit. Hoping that the guy behind you is not holding anything in reserve so on the last lap in the last corn he throws the pass of the century on you and wins the race. Basically.
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That just takes it to a whole other level. You fast guys are a little nuts.
 
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Don't brake 'till you see . It is pretty crazy.
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So this is how it was explained to me yesterday and I am facinated!

The fast guys say.....

"If you want to be the fastest, you basically crash and save in every corner. You come in soooo hard that the front tucks, then you save it, then you get on the gas until right before you highside, then you back off a little and save it"
You must have been talking to Larry...

He's being dramatic, but if you watch the fast guys race, that's the way it looks. But if you talk to any of them candidly, they don't even know it's like that.

Dustin Dominguez, Dane Westby, Derek Wagnon, and a couple others look like they're going to bin it in every corner entry and exit, but they don't even remember wtf you're talking about when you say "man, I thought you were going to toss it away in turn ", they'll usually respond with, "eh, I don't remember being out of shape, felt good to me".

Ty Howard is as fast/ faster than all those dudes, and he doesn't look out of shape or out of control at all. He's also a backmarker in "pro" competition for perspective.

Look at the AMA Pro racers and WSBK. While in some corners they look like they're losing traction or getting out of shape in corners and exits, for the majority of them, they don't look that way.

BTW, it takes a LONG time to get to that point where you can ride like that, and a LOT of seat time too. Very few (that are older than ~20) can ride like that early in their track "career".

If you get to the point where you're feeling out of shape and like you're going to crash in every/ any corner, you're just riding over your head as a rider who's new to the track, and chances are, you're going to bin it.

The more experienced racers can do some things that are like that, but only after years of practice or tons of seat time.

All that said...
The times you have moments of shear terror in a race, are also the times you'll look back on with great pride and excitement if you save it! There's nothing like the first time you save a front end tuck, or the first time you spin it up on corner exit heading for a low side but are able to get it right and pointed the right direction... after you start breathing again!
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^^ ummm watch some of those on bike camera shots in pro racing when a dude is right in front of them and the rear is sliding all over the place at max lean!
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Tiatool loaned me the dvd "Faster" and I think it was there that I learned about Rossi... In one race they put heart rate monitors on him and Biaggi. Biaggi's heart rate did about what you'd expect with high peaks. Rossi's, on the other hand, never went over 120 beats per minute. Perhaps some people pitch it and catch it seeing in every turn and the others can ride calm and smooth as glass. In either case, they're still a bit nuts.

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If your undies are still white, you are not trying hard enough. Racing is THE biggest rush on a bike you can get. I can lay in bed at night and think about gridding up and going into T1 and my heart starts to race. Really!! At my age I'm not sure that is a good thing. Thank for Formula 40.........
good stuff right there.
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^^ ummm watch some of those on bike camera shots in pro racing when a dude is right in front of them and the rear is sliding all over the place at max lean!
^^^^ Ummmm, I have (???)

My point is, I guess you missed it, is that "they" don't feel out of control, "they" feel in control and NOT out of shape. Not to mention, most of "them" are not "sliding" all over the place, but rather are spinning it up (some times on purpose), or backing it in (almost always on purpose), while in total control and making purposeful maneuvers.

The description (I'm guessing) Larry gave to Cdill is just a bit dramatic. While those things happen some times, MOST of the time, it's completely in control.

Make sense?
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Makes sense... hence Rossi's 120 heart rate!
 
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Makes sense... hence Rossi's 120 heart rate!
Yeah, but wasn't he the only one? I think Biaggi was like around 180 wasn't he?

Been a while since I've seen Faster!, so I could be wrong, but I think Rossi was one of the only ones with a "low" heart rate. And yeah, that makes sense! He's the coolest of the cool with regard to being "in control".
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You are remembering correctly. Biaggi's heart rate was way up there.
 
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You are remembering correctly. Biaggi's heart rate was way up there.
He was ValentinOWNED!
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mmmmmm, i'll wait till i get a track bike
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NO NO TOM! I wasn't dissagreeing with you, I was agreeing with you, that those guys dont even think about being out of control, for them that is being in control!
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