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Old 11-30-2005, 02:18 PM   #1
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question from a newb

ok so not really a newb. but ive never done a track day...so heres my question. i currently have an 05 zzr1200...not the best for track days. im curious if you guys think its better to start with a 600 or just jump into the litre class.

by the way if anyone is interested in a ZZR ive got one thats ready for a new home

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Old 11-30-2005, 02:27 PM   #2
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you will be ok on the zzr, just take it easy exiting the corners, that extra power will def. get away from you when your leaned over. 600cc bikes are great for the track, they are much more forgiving and more nimble in the turns.. lotsa people out on the FZ's and other such bikes for there first time at the track.
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your gonna build more skill in the 600 class, and i'd even recommend the SV650 class, they call the 600SS class the "meat grinder" group for a reason.......the SV group riders from what i've heard plan to go home and to work on monday vs race at anybody expense in the 600ss groups.........

what experience do you have prior to your ZZR?
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THIS IS MY SECOND ZZR, GL1800(FOR THE LONGER RIDES), APRILLIA
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Old 11-30-2005, 06:16 PM   #6
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Good advice from the guys so far. The ZZR will be fine, but take it easy on corner exits as was stated and just try to be smooth... and our LSTD Riding School can add value here.

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I think I am going to get an SV track bike for next season.
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I think I am going to get an SV track bike for next season.
could i ask why... Not trying to dog on the bike just wondering why you would want that....
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could i ask why... Not trying to dog on the bike just wondering why you would want that....
Because if lapping liter bikes on a 600 is fun then lapping them on an SV has to be insanely a joy.
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Because if lapping liter bikes on a 600 is fun then lapping them on an SV has to be insanely a joy.
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Because if lapping liter bikes on a 600 is fun then lapping them on an SV has to be insanely a joy.
lol ya i guess i could see the joy in that so there is no other reason for it then...Just to laugh at the liter bikes...
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I think I am going to get an SV track bike for next season.
im going to try and get an SV or a superchicken for track days. hopefully next season but we ll see.
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lol ya i guess i could see the joy in that so there is no other reason for it then...Just to laugh at the liter bikes...
No... the SV is the dominant bike in lightweight twins. It carries outstanding corner speed and with some mods can pull as good as an older 600 in the straights. Besides, lap times are made in the corners, not the straights. Hence the reason I can put down some fairly decent lap times on a stock 91hp F4i. :icon_bigg

Ask Brandon, SuperProvNov, about SVs... he's pretty much one of the fastest in the CMRA on them. Doing lap times about 10-15 seconds faster than most of us here on our 600s and litre bikes.
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im going to try and get an SV or a superchicken for track days. hopefully next season but we ll see.
Why... you have a 636? Not much of a better bike out there than that! Get an SV or SuperHawk for the street and make youre 636 straight track.
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Part of what makes an SV such a good racebike is it is not overly throttle sensitive, it handles well, it carries a lot of corner entry speed and you can get on back on the throttle sooner coming out of a corner. In a fast rider's hands it can humiliate a liter bike.



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Also, because I want a full time track bike and full time street bike for next year and an SV is a good option.
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lol ya i guess i could see the joy in that so there is no other reason for it then...Just to laugh at the liter bikes...
plenty of other reason to ride and sv other than to give yourself a pat on the back after passing a liter bike.

as an sv rider myself, the skills you devolpe riding the bike greatly improve your ability to go faster once you step up to a 600 or bigger, with less risk and less expense. as patrick stated the bike's learning curve is whole lot bigger than most bikes, due to its lack of raw horespower. a beginner rider is able to devolpe corner entry and early exit technics because they have too, you dont have motor to carry you down the straights. it will teach you a lot about how to go fast on a race track other than just twisting the grip on the right. i'm not saying that he sv is the way to go for everyone because its not, but i would never recommend someone who is thinking about it not to do it. i garantee that you will not be dissapointed.


ohh and yes, flying by someone on a 1000 on the outside of turn one and two is a heck of a good feeling when you are on a sv. :icon_bigg hey stevo thanks for the kind words. being one of the fastes in the cmra on a sv is a heck of a class of gentleman to be in. i'll take that compliment any day of the week. later
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Why... you have a 636? Not much of a better bike out there than that! Get an SV or SuperHawk for the street and make youre 636 straight track.

ya i know but i want the 636 for street only until i get out of school then ill turn it into a track bike and get a new street bike. hopefullly they will still make RC51s in two or three yrs :eh: .
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ya i know but i want the 636 for street only until i get out of school then ill turn it into a track bike and get a new street bike. hopefullly they will still make RC51s in two or three yrs :eh: .



They'll still be around, trust me. I love mine When and if you do decide to get a 51 don't worry about the latest and greatest model. They haven't changed much through the years. In 02 they went with a different swingarm, better throttle boddies, lighter wheels, and a few other things. But I do love the new black paint scheme. I started out building shovelheads and panheads when I was a kid so I guess the whole V- twin thing is in my blood. My last scoot was a Buell Firebolt which was an incredibly handling bike but just cant hang with DOHC's and 4 V's per cylinder. There's nothing like the sound of a 51 with some decent pipes going down the front straight. But.........there not for everybody. I dig 'em though. :icon_bigg
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They'll still be around, trust me. I love mine When and if you do decide to get a 51 don't worry about the latest and greatest model. They haven't changed much through the years. In 02 they went with a different swingarm, better throttle boddies, lighter wheels, and a few other things. But I do love the new black paint scheme. I started out building shovelheads and panheads when I was a kid so I guess the whole V- twin thing is in my blood. My last scoot was a Buell Firebolt which was an incredibly handling bike but just cant hang with DOHC's and 4 V's per cylinder. There's nothing like the sound of a 51 with some decent pipes going down the front straight. But.........there not for everybody. I dig 'em though. :icon_bigg
ya i like the black to thats what i was looking at before my 636 just out of my price range as of now. i love the vtwins too i had a superhawk before my 636, the vtwin sound is badass. but ya they havent changed the RC much over the yrs
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