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Old 10-20-2008, 09:17 AM   #21
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Rather than spend the money on a new motor, spend it on a membership at MSRH. With only four track days, you need seat time. Riding two or three days a week with improve your times more than any equipment.
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Old 10-20-2008, 09:21 AM   #22
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No, your right, there is always a gaggle of bikes in T1. What kind of lap times are you running?
The faster groups (i.e. A group or Advanced) tend to not bunch up in the turns so much, but the pace is obviously faster. What I'm saying is, if your lap times are there, the faster groups would benifit you some. Maybe even intermediate or B group.

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Running in B group. Not even close to run in Advanced. Unless I have suicidal tendencies and want to p*ss off a lot of people by being in the way Don't know lap times due to lack of timer. Probably need to get one to see where I'm improving.
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Rather than spend the money on a new motor, spend it on a membership at MSRH. With only four track days, you need seat time. Riding two or three days a week with improve your times more than any equipment.
You're not going to get a membership there for the cost of an engine, especially when you figure in the monthly fees. Not to mention, most folks would be tied to that one track since there is so much money going to the membership and let's face it, there are lots of better tracks in the State.

As far as Patrick's engine, it will be a 600 killer for sure, I know from personal experience what an ~80+ hp SV engine in a well set up bike will do.

All that said, for just a few hundred dollars, you can get cams, BMC filter, full race exhaust, and some mild head work with dyno tuning for much, much less, and get some fantastic gains with the SV engine. It also keeps it more reliable than a full-on built engine will be

Contact Zoran at Twin Works Factory, he is an absolute Demigod when it comes to SVs and "engine safe" hp mods.
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last time i was at TWS (Texas World Speedway) i think only one person passed me on the striaght. if you get the 3 corners that are leading to the front straight right and you get a hard drive out of it. you should be fine. my sv is bone stuck as far as engine.
remember in sv you cant afford to make mistakes cuz it costs you alot more in lap time than does to someone on a 1k, so it forces you to get your lines and points dead on.
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I ran the novice class on my SV on Friday and the majority of the 600's that passed me on the front straight I passed right back in turn one just by staying on the gas. You can pin the throttle and stay high on the banking and keep it pinned until you cross over the transition, bump one downshift and carry fifth all the way through turn two and three. I would imagine you could gap most street riders enough in the back section so that they wouldn't be a threat on the front straight. The SV with a properly set up suspension can generate awesome corner speeds. If you still have trouble you can buy my 80+HP SV cuz after Sunday it's officially for sale!!
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I ran the novice class on my SV on Friday and the majority of the 600's that passed me on the front straight I passed right back in turn one just by staying on the gas. You can pin the throttle and stay high on the banking and keep it pinned until you cross over the transition, bump one downshift and carry fifth all the way through turn two and three. I would imagine you could gap most street riders enough in the back section so that they wouldn't be a threat on the front straight. The SV with a properly set up suspension can generate awesome corner speeds. If you still have trouble you can buy my 80+HP SV cuz after Sunday it's officially for sale!!
Going to a 1000 next year?
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Going to a 1000 next year?
I wish....Austin's racing is getting expensive. Anyone looking for a slow SV endurance rider??
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I wish....Austin's racing is getting expensive. Anyone looking for a slow SV endurance rider??
Austin has almost won as much Bridgestone money as you
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Well thanks all for the input. Seems I keep the SV for another while, change the gearing and keep improving the dude that sits on it .

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Well thanks all for the input. Seems I keep the SV for another while, change the gearing and keep improving the dude that sits on it .

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Hit me up next season at an LSTD event and I'll get out there with you on our endurance bike.

The SV is a solid platform to race/ ride, you'll be very happy with your decision I'm sure.

Besides, who's to say you can't sell it later and get another bike anyway? It's all good.
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Hit me up next season at an LSTD event and I'll get out there with you on our endurance bike.

The SV is a solid platform to race/ ride, you'll be very happy with your decision I'm sure.

Besides, who's to say you can't sell it later and get another bike anyway? It's all good.
I sure will, thanks for the offer. That was also part of the decision, buying something now that at the earliest I can ride in maybe February is not good. I'm not the most patient person. Unless there's some secret track days in December and January
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Rather than spend the money on a new motor, spend it on a membership at MSRH. With only four track days, you need seat time. Riding two or three days a week with improve your times more than any equipment.
I agree with you on the seat time but my bank account and I have different opinions about that track membership
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So, are you gonna be a GSS this weekend? That track is a hoot on the SV.
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i own a 07 gsxr600 and an 07 sv650....both with suspension built for track and a few mods here and there.....

the gsxr600 is nice, fast, easy to ride, and the power over the sv is incredible.

the sv650....WAS a street toy....but then i figured out what a fcking it is on the street....so i turned it into a racebike.

you hate being passed by 600's on the straights especially at TWS (Texas World Speedway)? so do guys on 600's getting passed by 1000's. with what you said, you might as well get a 1000.

but it feels so much better passing up bigger bikes on the smaller ones....i would get such a hard drive coming out of some corners on my gsxr6 and fly by some liter bikes, only to come in and get asked "is that a 750 or 1000?".

so to sum it all up....get better and get faster on that 650.....and rail it on them 600's...it feels much better and is VERY confidence inspiring.
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So, are you gonna be a GSS this weekend? That track is a hoot on the SV.
I'd love to but am going on a trip Friday (bad timing I know). Y'all have fun out there. Next will probably be Cresson on 11/9.

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good thread, and I too get stuck behind "faster bikes" at times and get blown out of the water on the straights.
I also struggle with wanting "something faster"

Keep me updated on your gearing journey, I'm also thinking about changing that up. I read several posts by others to keep stock gearing, and then some say you should gear to hit red line by the end of the longest straight.
At TWS (Texas World Speedway) I don't hit red line in 6th at the end of the straight [heck I'm not sure if I would hit red line in sixth on a 20 mile straight] and I wasn't wable to get to red line in 5th on the longest straight at MSRC. hat probably means I need to carry more corner speed but I'm also thinking about going down one tooth in the front. I'm currently at 15/46
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Running in B group. Not even close to run in Advanced. Unless I have suicidal tendencies and want to p*ss off a lot of people by being in the way Don't know lap times due to lack of timer. Probably need to get one to see where I'm improving.

A lap timer is a MUST HAVE.
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That's not what I meant so maybe I said it wrong (forgive me I'm only on my second coffee yet ). What I meant was that (from what I've seen so far in my only three times at TWS (Texas World Speedway)) there's usually a pile of bikes going in from being more stretched out on the straight.

Does that sound right? No? Ok, need more coffee ...
That's the cool thing about riding a bike down on horse power. Watch them run away on the straight and then pass them all by turn 3. You now have lots of turns to put space between them and you. Anybody can go fast on a straight away but that does not mean that you are fastest around the track.

The MotoGP guys have vastly different top speeds and it is NOT the fastest top speed which wins the race.

I'd stay with the stock SV you already have. Then sign up for as many track days track days and riding schools you can afford, and watch the progression

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good thread, and I too get stuck behind "faster bikes" at times and get blown out of the water on the straights.
I also struggle with wanting "something faster"

Keep me updated on your gearing journey, I'm also thinking about changing that up. I read several posts by others to keep stock gearing, and then some say you should gear to hit red line by the end of the longest straight.
At TWS (Texas World Speedway) I don't hit red line in 6th at the end of the straight [heck I'm not sure if I would hit red line in sixth on a 20 mile straight] and I wasn't wable to get to red line in 5th on the longest straight at MSRC. hat probably means I need to carry more corner speed but I'm also thinking about going down one tooth in the front. I'm currently at 15/46
I went up two in the rear and it made a huge difference (also swapped out the air filter) at GSS last time with TTD. I'll be at TWS (Texas World Speedway) on the 23rd and we'll see how it does on that track. I may just keep the SV and buy a I4 600 as second track bike. I guess what I miss is the rush of the I4 that suddenly kicks in above 10k RPM . Anyway, gearing changed something to the positive on the SV.

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rearsets are on my list, I keep dragging my pegs [better body position should help this too, but its not that bad]. I've found some adjustable brackets that turn the stock rearsets into adjustable ones.

I'm also kicking around the idea of upgrading the brakes. I also came across some brackets that let you run gixxer brake calipers [not the newer radial design], add to that a better master cylinder and some steel lines
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