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Old 10-10-2008, 09:15 AM   #21
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Wow. Never heard of anything like this. Sounds like to me. Not so sure that a tip that stolen bike might be at this track is probable cause to raid a private track day. The right lawyer might be able to rile up some about it in court. Course that's even more money spent. Like I said. BOS, Seller's DL, if some were to come up say look I bought it from this guy. If it is stolen then he's your man.

I got all the respect in the world for cops. But if a group of cops showed up at a track day I was at and wanted to check and verify paperwork on every bike and waste my day and my money paid for that track day I would tell them to go do actual police work and stop wasting my fcking tax dollars. If you want to come out and check out a particular person or bike off of a tip I think that makes since, but checking paperwork on every bike there, regardless of whether it's a legal street bike or not is bullshit.

You have something against cocps trying to come down on stolen bikes? If your bike is clean then you should have nothing to worry about. Personally, I'm all for it b/c I hate theives.
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Old 10-10-2008, 09:18 AM   #22
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You have something against cocps trying to come down on stolen bikes? If your bike is clean then you should have nothing to worry about. Personally, I'm all for it b/c I hate theives.
I have nothing against cops cracking down on stolen bikes as I have stated before in several threads. someone tried to steal my bike one night at home. Maybe you should re-read my post. But coming to a trackday and checking on paperwork for every bike there is rediculous. Maybe they should go to Wal-Mart on a Saturday and lock down all exits of the parking lot and check every person for insurance. Anyone that doesn't should not be allowed to leave, and if they do, slam with the ticket so their can be SR22 from then on out. If they all have insurance there should be nothing to worry about right?

Same , different situation.
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I have nothing against cops cracking down on stolen bikes. Maybe you should re-read my post. But coming to a trackday and checking on paperwork for every bike there is rediculous. Maybe they should go to Wal-Mart on a Saturday and lock down all exits of the parking lot and check every person for insurance. Anyone that doesn't should not be allowed to leave, and if they do, slam with the ticket so their can be SR22 from then on out.

Same , different situation.
I'm for both.

btw. you need to chillax and loosen up dem panties
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I got all the respect in the world for LEOs. But if a group of them showed up at a track day I was at and wanted to check and verify paperwork on every bike and waste mine and everyone else's day and money paid for that track day I would tell them to go do actual police work and stop wasting my fcking tax dollars. Doesn't mean they can't still do it and be dicks, cause who is gonna stop them. But if they want to arrest me for exercising my first amendment rights then they can go right ahead. I know wonderful lawyers. If they want to come out and check out a particular person or bike off of a tip I think that makes since, but checking paperwork on every bike there, regardless of whether it's a legal street bike or not is bullshit.
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Like I said. BOS, Seller's DL, if some were to come up say look I bought it from this guy. If it is stolen then he's your man.
that's what I do, BOS and a copy of the sellers DL to match the signature.

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You have something against cops trying to come down on stolen bikes? If your bike is clean then you should have nothing to worry about. Personally, I'm all for it b/c I hate theives.
+1, but it would suck if it interfered with the TD event.
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I have nothing against cops cracking down on stolen bikes as I have stated before in several threads. someone tried to steal my bike one night at home. Maybe you should re-read my post. But coming to a trackday and checking on paperwork for every bike there is rediculous. Maybe they should go to Wal-Mart on a Saturday and lock down all exits of the parking lot and check every person for insurance. Anyone that doesn't should not be allowed to leave, and if they do, slam with the ticket so their can be SR22 from then on out. If they all have insurance there should be nothing to worry about right?

Same , different situation.
good point....

I'm pretty sure they'd find more peeps lacking insurance than stolen bike parts.
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I'm for both.

btw. you need to chillax and loosen up dem panties


I hate bike thieves and I hate people that roll around sans insurance. But I think both examples are ridiculous. And my panties are plenty loose, but I think police harassing a large group of individuals and causing them trouble to get the maybe 1 person they are looking for is completely uncalled for and abuse of power.
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Old 10-10-2008, 09:44 AM   #28
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So Tom, or anyone who has had this experience....
Are you saying that they confiscated bikes because nobody had title or bill of sale, even if the vin's were clean?
They tried to take all the GP bikes since there are no #'s on those. Till, Johnny Landers pitched a fit and finally explained that they come like that since they are never even supposed to see the street.
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Old 10-10-2008, 10:12 AM   #29
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Now im going to make sure the bikes are legit. I try to always get a title but if a BOS works and a copy of the DL works then maybe i will just get that
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I'm for getting the F'n thieves as well. BUT, I don't want to be bothered on my day off by rookie cops with nothing to do. I'm not breaking the law. I have my in order. DPS has to have probable cause to stop and detain you and ask for documents pertaining to stolen articles ie; motorcycles. AND they're on private property and/ or a private course. It's called unreasonable search and siezure. Unless they have reason to belive the bike is stolen and have PC to stop and detain you, they can go pound sand!
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I'm for getting the F'n thieves as well. BUT, I don't want to be bothered on my day off by rookie cops with nothing to do. I'm not breaking the law. I have my in order. DPS has to have probable cause to stop and detain you and ask for documents pertaining to stolen articles ie; motorcycles. AND they're on private property and/ or a private course. It's called unreasonable search and siezure. Unless they have reason to belive the bike is stolen and have PC to stop and detain you, they can go pound sand!
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And just to clear up any questions....I am a Cop. 'Been a Cop for fifteen years. I'll back just about any Officer up if I believe he's doing the right thing. I also hate f'n thieves. They need to die a fiery cancerous death. But, If I've paid good money to be at a private event on private property on my day off and some ding-dong holding a badge attempting to intimidate sport-bikers and demanding info for my completely legal cycle.....will be politely told to "Go-Pound-Sand!"
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I got all the respect in the world for LEOs. But if a group of them showed up at a track day I was at and wanted to check and verify paperwork on every bike and waste mine and everyone else's day and money paid for that track day I would tell them to go do actual police work and stop wasting my fcking tax dollars. Doesn't mean they can't still do it and be dicks, cause who is gonna stop them. But if they want to arrest me for exercising my first amendment rights then they can go right ahead. I know wonderful lawyers. If they want to come out and check out a particular person or bike off of a tip I think that makes since, but checking paperwork on every bike there, regardless of whether it's a legal street bike or not is bullshit.
No matter how this "sounds" to you, it does happen, has happened, and will happen again.

And I think you already know the results of acting like a fool to the PD in your above scenario.
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I have no title, just a BOS, a copy of the sellers DL, and a "public data" report that was printed off the internet indicating it has a "junk" status.
They don't need no report to determine that.
One look at your bike says it all.

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Old 10-10-2008, 08:37 PM   #35
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My experiences without having a title.....

1. Pulled over because the bike in my truck had no plate. Cop asked about it I gave the Stunt Bike story even showed some pics off my phone. He ran vin and said have a nice day.

2. Pulled over for speeding. Cop asked about bike with no plate. Gave him the stunt bike story. He arrested me for a warrant and let my friend leave with the truck and bike. Didnt even run the VIN.


So i'll have to call BS. as long as the VIN is clear. and you are not on the street. they wont do .
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Old 10-10-2008, 09:29 PM   #36
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i have cops pull me over all the timein tha cypress area and the first dam thing they ask me is "whos bike is this"lol like i just stole the thing... and they pull me over for no reason, just to **** with me....then after an hour of them trying to find something to take me to jail for with no sucsess they let me go........ive never got a ticket for speeding or anything in my life, just got tickets for improper licsence plate mounting and bs like that nothing against cops or anything but i dont think its necssary to pull me over just for being on a motorcycle, but anyways yes i have had people i know get there bikes impounded for not having titles even if the vins are clean and they couldnt get the bikes out of impound because they didnt have proof of owner ship(title,MSO)
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Funny how people "call BS".

It did happen at an event with the Dallas PD. Yes, they were full of for doing it, but bikes got hauled off and not in a nice manner.

I am currently considering a track only bike also and there is not a clear title. I have zero reason to think the seller is moving a stolen bike, nor do I have any reason the prior owner before him had done anything incorrect. I am still being told by people I trust to wait and get a track bike with a clear title. I still haven't decided what I am going to do yet. I do realize that if I buy it, I do have the slim chance that somebody calls a random accusation into a track day event I am at, and I have the possibility of having a pain in the moment.

Anytime you buy anything, it is up to the buyer to weigh the risks versus rewards. If anyone knowingly buys a stolen bike or parts, they ought to have their handed to them, and in that regard, I don't mind being checked. From what I have understood, the event with the Dallas PD was a bit of a witch hunt and GP bikes that didn't have 17 digit VINS were seized. I used to have a streeet legal VFR400R that didn't have a proper 17 digit VIN, I guess I am lucky I wasn't there that day watching!

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Blame all this on the guys running stolen on our racetracks. It never hurts to run a VIN on any bike you are getting without a clean clear texas title.

Does anyone know how to check an engine to see if it might not be legitimate? I have an offer for a replacement motor for my 04; GSXR, but I have no way of knowing if it is hot or not.
only way to do that is talk to Suzuki and give them the vin# on the engine i think it takes about 6 weeks to find out if its clean or not idk why but thats what my friends aunt told me she's a cop
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And I think you already know the results of acting like a fool to the PD in your above scenario.
But as stated above. I have the utmost respect for LEO's....that is unless they fill the need to act all supercop cool dude badass and be a to me when I am on private property minding my own business. At that point fck em. Respect is a give some get some thing with me, whether you are a hobo, friend, co-worker, family member, cop or the president. Could care less who they are, they don't show me respect, they can kiss my if they think they'll get any back.
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They don't need no report to determine that.
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