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Old 10-09-2008, 02:12 PM   #1
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I was talking to someone today and I was telling them I was looking for a track bike. I said it didnt matter if i had a title or not. As long as i had a BOS and the VIN was good oh well.


He told me that DPS will and has been showing upp at the tracks checking bikes and if you had no title they could ticket you and impound the bike. Is this BS? Sounds like it to me?
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BS. I know plenty of people have bought track bikes with no title. If it's isn't on the street and isn't a reported stolen VIN dps can't do chit.

Same goes with stunt bikes. If you aren't on the street, they have no business messing with you w/o prob cause.
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Old 10-09-2008, 02:17 PM   #3
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Thanks Ryan. I knew it was/sounded like BS. As long as the VIN is good and a BOS, one should be fine then.......


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It's nice to have a title, cause if nothing else even if you don't ride it on the street, you can have the title in your name and there is no question about it. But if you are buying a track/stunt bike without title. I would make sure and get the seller's full name, address, phone (ask to see a drivers license) and copy down the TXDL. I do, if it ain't stolen and they are legit person they shouldn't have an issue with it.
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Oh no, it's not BS. DPS has shown up to race weekends and track days to check vin and paperwork.

I always carry a copy of the title (not the original) and any other related paperwork with me, or BOS or similar if there is no title.

As far as an actual title, no, you don't have to have one, but as you mentioned, you do need a good vin and any related paperwork to sale/ ownership.

For instance, the title to my bike isn't in my name, but it's clean and the vin is clear. All good in the PD eyes at the track.

There have been plenty of instances where PD has shown up at tracks for track days and races to sweep for stolen engines/ bikes, especially if there's a tip.

Don't be fooled, it happens.
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wow,is this more so in the houston area?
i have been to app. 26 trackdays this year and yet to see one.
maybe they are in unmarked cars.
all i have for mine is a bill of sale and the teller at the tax ofice said it was good enough so long as it was "still being repaired" for street trim.
this way i had to pay no taxes yet and still travel with it and a little peace of mind.....
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wow,is this more so in the houston area?
i have been to app. 26 trackdays this year and yet to see one.
maybe they are in unmarked cars.
all i have for mine is a bill of sale and the teller at the tax ofice said it was good enough so long as it was "still being repaired" for street trim.
this way i had to pay no taxes yet and still travel with it and a little peace of mind.....
It hasn't happened in a while, but trust me, it happens.

Obviously, it's not limited to Texas, but it has happened in Texas before.
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Obviously, it's not limited to Texas, but it has happened in Texas before.
We're you there in '98 like I was?
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We're you there in '98 like I was?
Yup, not racing though! I saw the bikes getting towed off...

I didn't have anything to worry about personally, but I remember the amount of time it took out of the day and all the folks that didn't have any paperwork with them or any proof of ownership.

I was shocked to see the person who was directly involved/ reason for that stuff at the CMRA races at ECR. I didn't think he'd ever darken a CRRC/ CMRA event again. Although I hear he is/ was involved with a organization that provides a service to motorcycle track riders...................
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Oh no, it's not BS. DPS has shown up to race weekends and track days to check vin and paperwork.

I always carry a copy of the title (not the original) and any other related paperwork with me, or BOS or similar if there is no title.

As far as an actual title, no, you don't have to have one, but as you mentioned, you do need a good vin and any related paperwork to sale/ ownership.

For instance, the title to my bike isn't in my name, but it's clean and the vin is clear. All good in the PD eyes at the track.

There have been plenty of instances where PD has shown up at tracks for track days and races to sweep for stolen engines/ bikes, especially if there's a tip.

Don't be fooled, it happens.

but wouldnt track days be private events in private property. they cant just come in and do stuff....


any ways... i do have 2000 sv650 track bike for sale 1500$
it has gixxer frontend, gixxer rear wheel and kawi shock on it. vin clear and clean .
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but wouldnt track days be private events in private property. they cant just come in and do stuff...
Didn't matter. Doesn't matter. Probable cause, hot tip, wrong or right, they did it and they can do it again. Protect yourself with all the information you can, and a flimsy BOS likely isn't going to be enough.

That day the cops made it difficult for a lot of people, even if they ultimately were exonerated. It took some many months and lots of dollars to get their bikes back even though charges may never have been brought.
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but wouldnt track days be private events in private property. they cant just come in and do stuff....
Uh no. Why would you think that a track day would be any more "private" than anyone else who rents the track.

Like Linz mentioned, all they need is probable cause.
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I was talking to someone today and I was telling them I was looking for a track bike. I said it didnt matter if i had a title or not. As long as i had a BOS and the VIN was good oh well.


He told me that DPS will and has been showing upp at the tracks checking bikes and if you had no title they could ticket you and impound the bike. Is this BS? Sounds like it to me?
That is absolute b.s, tell that guy to take a hike.
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Blame all this on the guys running stolen on our racetracks. It never hurts to run a VIN on any bike you are getting without a clean clear texas title.

Does anyone know how to check an engine to see if it might not be legitimate? I have an offer for a replacement motor for my 04; GSXR, but I have no way of knowing if it is hot or not.
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Blame all this on the guys running stolen on our racetracks. It never hurts to run a VIN on any bike you are getting without a clean clear texas title.

Does anyone know how to check an engine to see if it might not be legitimate? I have an offer for a replacement motor for my 04; GSXR, but I have no way of knowing if it is hot or not.
I don't know if that year GSXR is stamped or not, check with Patrick. Usually, they can run the numbers off the crankcase housing, should be numbers stamped on a raised "plate".
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So Tom, or anyone who has had this experience....
Are you saying that they confiscated bikes because nobody had title or bill of sale, even if the vin's were clean?
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I've heard of these things before, but in the 15-20 trackdays I have attended I have yet to see anything. I have no title, just a BOS, a copy of the sellers DL, and a "public data" report that was printed off the internet indicating it has a "junk" status. If you are buying a bike that has the VIN plates "scrubbed" off, you may just have something to worry about.
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I always carry a copy of the title just in case the events such as the one's Tom has mentioned were to happen. Better safe than sorry.
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Wow. Never heard of anything like this. Sounds like to me. Not so sure that a tip that stolen bike might be at this track is probable cause to raid a private track day. The right lawyer might be able to rile up some about it in court. Course that's even more money spent. Like I said. BOS, Seller's DL, if some were to come up say look I bought it from this guy. If it is stolen then he's your man.

I got all the respect in the world for LEOs. But if a group of them showed up at a track day I was at and wanted to check and verify paperwork on every bike and waste mine and everyone else's day and money paid for that track day I would tell them to go do actual police work and stop wasting my fcking tax dollars. Doesn't mean they can't still do it and be dicks, cause who is gonna stop them. But if they want to arrest me for exercising my first amendment rights then they can go right ahead. I know wonderful lawyers. If they want to come out and check out a particular person or bike off of a tip I think that makes since, but checking paperwork on every bike there, regardless of whether it's a legal street bike or not is bullshit.
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