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Old 10-06-2008, 07:47 PM   #21
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Just FYI, though, I've never clocked anyone better than 168 mph there on the CMRA's gun on the 2.9 mile course.
I'm surprised to hear that. Who ran the 168 and when was this.
How fast were Ty Howard and Dane Westby going into turn 1 at the last TWS (Texas World Speedway) race when Ty broke the record with a 1:41.9?
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I'm surprised to hear that. Who ran the 168 and when was this.
How fast were Ty Howard and Dane Westby going into turn 1 at the last TWS (Texas World Speedway) race when Ty broke the record with a 1:41.9?
That's the race, April of this year. Now, granted, I don't clock every race, usually just two or three per weekend, and usually when the lap record looks to be in jeopardy and the fast guys are hauling .

For reference, I did not clock Ty and Zach Chapman at ECR when they had a duel for a couple laps (and got into the 46s), but I did get Ty on the front straight in an earlier race (when he ran into the 47s) at 125 mph on the front straight (I didn't get any speeds on the back straight). 125 mph is a full 5 mph faster than anyone I clocked in the endurance the day before.
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Which part of the track did you get the 168 exactly?
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I've clocked them in several spots, but the fastest spot is right before the bump, and right as the riders start to make a notable transition to T1, the riders will roll off slightly there (some will roll off a lot, of course). That's the spot.

Ive been going to TWS (Texas World Speedway) since 1987 (since 1988 as a racer)), and I've seen a lot of fast and very cool bikes, including the legendary and very fast "Lurch" owned and raced by Vernon Davis. The fastest bikes I've ever seen there were in the middle 1990s, a pair of turbo CBRs ridden by Tracy and Michael McIntyre, twin brothers. The bikes would spool up coming out of T12 and rocket down the front straight, blowing past anything in front of them, and reeling in bikes that had 100 yards on them. They'd get passed by a guy or two in the backfield only to smoke down the front straight and catch the leaders lap after lap. One brother won the race and the other finished a spot or two back. Impressive display of speed for sure.

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I've clocked them in several spots, but the fastest spot is right before the bump, and right as the riders start to make a notable transition to T1, the riders will roll off slightly there (some will roll off a lot, of course). That's the spot.

Ive been going to TWS (Texas World Speedway) since 1987 (since 1988 as a racer)), and I've seen a lot of fast and very cool bikes, including the legendary and very fast "Lurch" owned and raced by Vernon Davis. The fastest bikes I've ever seen there were in the middle 1990s, a pair of turbo CBRs ridden by Tracy and Michael McIntyre, twin brothers. The bikes would spool up coming out of T12 and rocket down the front straight, blowing past anything in front of them, and reeling in bikes that had 100 yards on them. They'd get passed by a guy or two in the backfield only to smoke down the front straight and catch the leaders lap after lap. One brother won the race and the other finished a spot or two back. Impressive display of speed for sure.

Here they are: http://www.mrmotorcycle.net/national.htm

Cool stuff. Did they ban turbos? Why dont I see people doing this type of thing now? I always thought a turbo spooling up in mid corner would be kinda sketchy.
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I think that radar gun needs to be calibrated
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I think that radar gun needs to be calibrated
Maybe, but I think truth is stranger than fiction. When multi-million dollar 260 hp MotoGP bikes crack the 200 mph barrier only occasionally and on the longest tracks on the circuit, I am going to err on the side of caution and say that only the most special of club racers will ever see 190 mph. I've seen only a very few: Methanol Monster, Team Roberts YZRs, Big Papa, etc.

I will make a point to radar several races and let fast company like Ty, Dane, Zach, Dustin and Ricky know that I am watching.
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See ya there.

Just FYI, though, I've never clocked anyone better than 168 mph there on the CMRA's gun on the 2.9 mile course.
I was going to say the samething. Never seen a radar over the 160-ish. Indicated on the speedo is a totally different thing the way the bikes are geared. I was next to someone with a radar gun at the end of the pit wall and Ty was doing something around 155-ish at the start-finish and I'm sure he was picking it up a little more.

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Did they ban turbos?

>>>Still legal in some classes, like Formula 1. Unlimited displacement and unlimited mods. Not sure about other organizations, but I think WERA is the same.

Why dont I see people doing this type of thing now?

>>>Probably because of the excessive cost and lack of return on the investment. In the early 1990s, the FUSA folks made it a "run anything you got" deal for all the marbles and lots of cash. Big inch bikes with turbos and methanol burning motors and even imported GP bikes peppered the grids. Name-brand riders were on these things like Robbie Peterson, Scott Gray, and Rich Oliver. They were the stars of the show. Then the rules changed and reality set in.

I always thought a turbo spooling up in mid corner would be kinda sketchy.

>>>Indeed. I think these guys proved it.
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OR you need a SPEEDO HEALER since you are 2 down in the front and a pizza sprocket in the rear!
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OR you need a SPEEDO HEALER since you are 2 down in the front and a pizza sprocket in the rear!
I know I'm only going 145-150. I would think the faster guys on 1000s are going 175-180.
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, you remind me of Tom with his relic knowledge of years past! great info. that was a nice read of the mc's boys.


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Did they ban turbos?

>>>Still legal in some classes, like Formula 1. Unlimited displacement and unlimited mods. Not sure about other organizations, but I think WERA is the same.

Why dont I see people doing this type of thing now?

>>>Probably because of the excessive cost and lack of return on the investment. In the early 1990s, the FUSA folks made it a "run anything you got" deal for all the marbles and lots of cash. Big inch bikes with turbos and methanol burning motors and even imported GP bikes peppered the grids. Name-brand riders were on these things like Robbie Peterson, Scott Gray, and Rich Oliver. They were the stars of the show. Then the rules changed and reality set in.

I always thought a turbo spooling up in mid corner would be kinda sketchy.

>>>Indeed. I think these guys proved it.
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155mph at the start finish.... Even I am in the gas a long ways after the start finish. My gearing and rear tire have my bike right around 170 at the top of sixth gear. I have been reaching for another gear a couple times and let off just before the rev limiter in 6th before turning into T1. I am far from experienced and let off very early into T1 compared to others as well.

I would not be surprised so see some of the experts on 1000's going over 168mph on the front straight. I don't have much to back up my opinion on it, but I too think the 168 limit is a bit low.
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