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Old 09-30-2008, 11:50 AM   #21
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If it is not too much trouble I would like to see them also. Great Video!
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I took it out when I got home to download the videos but will put the lense back to give a good idea and then just show where I put the recorder without actually installing it again just yet.
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Old 09-30-2008, 12:49 PM   #22
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Looks great man! Your lines are good. A few trackdays ago I was doing around 2 mins too and letting off in about the same spot. Holding the throttle until just before the end of the pit wall dropped 1-2 secs off my time. There's obviously a lot more time to be dropped in other areas (I'm working my off trying!) but just that one change, for me, was good for 1-2 secs.
Not to still the post, but Jerran how fast you think you are going into turn 1? I have the same problem with it to. I let off early and start braking to early, which I'm hauling in the 175-180 range on the speedo depending on how good my drive is out of the last run to the front straight. But then from braking to much sometimes because my brain is saying your hauling I find I'm having to get on the gas mid way thru turn 1. The few times I get a chance to look when I feel fast thru there I'm at around 110mph at the apex and then get on the throttle going thru 2. Just wanting an idea of how much speed can be carried thru there since you have about the same bike as me.
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i'm sure some of the really fast guys carry around 130 or even more through there, i normally do around 100 maybe 110 max, thats what im comfortable with. its a bad place to go down so i don't push it too much there.
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Old 09-30-2008, 01:02 PM   #24
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Not to still the post, but Jerran how fast you think you are going into turn 1? I have the same problem with it to. I let off early and start braking to early, which I'm hauling in the 175-180 range on the speedo depending on how good my drive is out of the last run to the front straight. But then from braking to much sometimes because my brain is saying your hauling I find I'm having to get on the gas mid way thru turn 1. The few times I get a chance to look when I feel fast thru there I'm at around 110mph at the apex and then get on the throttle going thru 2. Just wanting an idea of how much speed can be carried thru there since you have about the same bike as me.
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i usually touch 180 right when I start braking. I take a lower line into 1. The transition is smoother and I'm able to carry more speed and not brake until after. I'm not sure how fast I'm going through 1. I start in tight (there's a yellow line. I stay close to it, but to the inside) then trailbrake and drift it out to the second tar snake (about 1/2 track I think) then transition back to the gas, hopefully apex 2 by the inside curb. The main thing that I did that seemed to help me was trying not to get to my lowest speed until I have to tighten it up for 2. As far as how much speed can be carried...Way more than what I carry!
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i'm sure some of the really fast guys carry around 130 or even more through there, i normally do around 100 maybe 110 max, thats what im comfortable with. its a bad place to go down so i don't push it too much there.
ok so I'm on track then. that's about what I carry max to thru there. Thanks
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i usually touch 180 right when I start braking. I take a lower line into 1. The transition is smoother and I'm able to carry more speed and not brake until after. I'm not sure how fast I'm going through 1. I start in tight (there's a yellow line. I stay close to it, but to the inside) then trailbrake and drift it out to the second tar snake (about 1/2 track I think) then transition back to the gas, hopefully apex 2 by the inside curb. The main thing that I did that seemed to help me was trying not to get to my lowest speed until I have to tighten it up for 2. As far as how much speed can be carried...Way more than what I carry!
Wow that's a great explanation Jerran. It sounds like I carry the same line as you do low on the track and my speed is about the same. For some reason Sat. I was only seeing 175, but usually would hit 180 before getting on the brakes hard. My tires are always just to the right of the yellow line that is coming out from pit road and I hold that ark the whole way and tighten it up close to the curbing and then on the gas at the apex of 2. If I don't end up braking to much in turn one I usually drift out wide out of two while on the gas with enough lean angle my knees down going to 3.
I think what I'm doing is getting 85% of my braking done before the yellow line as you go down the slight hill and then I trail brake to the apex coming close to the curbing. I should probalby not shave quite so much speed off at once and trail brake longer drifting out farther like your doing. Of course Sat. was the first time with my new Brembo master cylinder and my brake markers were off for sure.
Man thanks for the explanation. it helps alot.
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there are several lines through 1, i like both the waaay outside edge and i also like to keep it tight on the inside. my favorite would be the outside b/c it's a straighter shot, you can keep the bike up longer and stay on the gas longer which equates to faster for longer through there. entering into 1, i generally stay in it till i hit the #1 board on the fence, i personally let off the gas drop 2 gears and pick the gas back up, just so that i maitain a decent speed into 2. i normally stay way outside until i see the bumps, i go around the bumps and then clip the end of the yellow stripe and straight to the curb and hold it tight as possible through 2, drift out to the outside of the straight, i'm back on the throttle right before the apex of 2 so that i can pass people (if needed) between 2 and 3, brake hard for 3 and cut in to curbing.
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Gixxerman...I find that my brakes fade after 4-5 hard laps. I've gone to high temp fluid, race pads, steel lines, constant bleeding, etc. Did you experience the same thing? Is the Brembro worth the money?

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heck I'll try your lines again to. I've heard of riders taken that line as well. Heck I used to take that line long ago, but I didn't like transition from the 30 deg banking to the flat ground, but what you say makes since to carring more speed and on the gas longer before braking. Plus many times I see it would be easier to get around people taken that line. I would like to be comfy with multiple lines through there just in case I need to take a different one. Yeah I forgot to say I click down two gears to during my braking to get a hard drive out of turn 2.
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Gixxerman...I find that my brakes fade after 4-5 hard laps. I've gone to high temp fluid, race pads, steel lines, constant bleeding, etc. Did you experience the same thing? Is the Brembro worth the money?

And...Great video!! (not to thread )
i just picked up the new EBC EPFA (i think) from Motorcycles Unlimited, formerly running the GFA's, they were too pricey for my liking but, i think they did a phenom of a job. no brake fade at all through out the day and i rode alot, with lots of hard hard braking. Brandon said they worked great and i could def. tell the difference in them. I run stock rotors with s.s. lines and those pads and no problems, Jerran, what is your weight?
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Gixxerman...I find that my brakes fade after 4-5 hard laps. I've gone to high temp fluid, race pads, steel lines, constant bleeding, etc. Did you experience the same thing? Is the Brembro worth the money?

And...Great video!! (not to thread )
I run ss lines, Veshrah RJL front pads, Motul RBF brake fluid and the new Brembo 19 RCS. I really like the Brembo. I used to get fade out there bad until I swithed to the RJL pads and fluid, then it stopped. The Brembo just added so much more braking force to the equation. It want stop the fade I don't think because it's only pushing fluid to the calipers. What it does I noticed is sets your brake markers farther back allowing you to carry speed deeper into the corners. It's the I must say. My buddy did the switch on his CBR600RR and noticed the same gains, but he is running stock pads. He doesn't have a fade problem yet. You might want to try the SRJL 17 pads. The are expensive, but are totally track focused more so then the RJL pads. Your just to fast man!
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I'm running the SBS Dual-Carbon pads, with Motul RBF, and Galfer lines...And I weigh 185
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For those of you asking how the camera is mounted this picture gives a preview without me taking specific photos yet. It's the little black dot at the bottom of the nose area.

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Old 09-30-2008, 03:38 PM   #35
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oh finally got the see the vid from the house. Work internet didn't work. Nice vid and you look good out there. I timed out 2:00 lap times on you to. You hardley look like you use the brakes except for the horseshoe. You make the lap look easy.
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I admit I am not heavy on the brakes or the front tire loading. It's something I need to work on heavily and I think my lap times will drop in respect to making some big improvements in that much needed area.
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i started dropping my time with the quickness by getting my braking down better

turn one is my fav. turn, it reminds me of the street, so blasting through that sweeper is no worries, also like the horshoe, the faster you get going around that turn the more sketchy it gets, its a loooow speed turn
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Wow that video is super clean. This is mine using a tank mounted cam which is noisy and vibrates. I am in the A group running in the mid 1.50s.

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