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Old 09-24-2008, 11:50 AM   #1
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One tire... dang

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sp.../?R=EPI-103091

Glad for Bridgestone because I happen to like that tire right now, but man, it certainly takes one of the variables out of the picture that makes motorcycling a bit less predictable.
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Old 09-24-2008, 11:51 AM   #2
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Hmmm

Spec racing next?
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Old 09-24-2008, 11:52 AM   #3
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http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sp.../?R=EPI-103091

Glad for Bridgestone because I happen to like that tire right now, but man, it certainly takes one of the variables out of the picture that makes motorcycling a bit less predictable.
everyone was afraid of that when wsbk and supersport went to a spec tire, but as i'm sure you've seen, the racing is just as exciting as it ever was. only thing it eliminates are bitchy whiny riders explaining that they aren't winning more races because they're not on the tires that ____________'s on.
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everyone was afraid of that when wsbk and supersport went to a spec tire, but as i'm sure you've seen, the racing is just as exciting as it ever was. only thing it eliminates are bitchy whiny riders explaining that they aren't winning more races because they're not on the tires that ____________'s on.
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Oh, I know, I just would still like to see things the way they used to be. Run whatcha brung, winner take all.
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Old 09-24-2008, 12:27 PM   #6
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spec racing would be badass for MotoGP! but then it sucks for all the different manufacturers.
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Old 09-24-2008, 12:32 PM   #7
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and the main whiner was Rossi LOL ok now..... alrova runs and hides........

But seriously this was coming
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spec racing would be badass for MotoGP! but then it sucks for all the different manufacturers.
...and it kills advancement of technology.

example: Red Bull riders cup is good for making and finding new talented riders, but not for building a better bike. (My opinion at least)
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i agree totally.
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Old 09-24-2008, 01:38 PM   #10
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...and it kills advancement of technology.

example: Red Bull riders cup is good for making and finding new talented riders, but not for building a better bike. (My opinion at least)
i disagree. there are still going to be advancements, and don't think that michelin is going to just close down their r&d department. in every series that has ever gone to a single tire manufacturer it has only sped up tire development, because the manufacturer is getting much more data than it was previously because they're now on all the bikes. each bike has different tire requirements, and each rider has different preferences. the manufacturer has to figure out a way to work with every rider, every team, and every bike. a HUGE undertaking, that ALWAYS results in a better tire.

now, will the technology that they use in motogp ever be applied to street tires? of course, but don't think that the manufacturers who aren't in motogp aren't going to be releasing tires with similar technology during the same timelines.

there are still many other ways they can do r&d, and many other racers to run their tires. if anything club level racing and the other smaller series give them more data, because those are the majority of the riders they are providing tires for. so they are better suited to design a better tire for the real world.
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i disagree. there are still going to be advancements, and don't think that michelin is going to just close down their r&d department. in every series that has ever gone to a single tire manufacturer it has only sped up tire development, because the manufacturer is getting much more data than it was previously because they're now on all the bikes. each bike has different tire requirements, and each rider has different preferences. the manufacturer has to figure out a way to work with every rider, every team, and every bike. a HUGE undertaking, that ALWAYS results in a better tire.

now, will the technology that they use in motogp ever be applied to street tires? of course, but don't think that the manufacturers who aren't in motogp aren't going to be releasing tires with similar technology during the same timelines.

there are still many other ways they can do r&d, and many other racers to run their tires. if anything club level racing and the other smaller series give them more data, because those are the majority of the riders they are providing tires for. so they are better suited to design a better tire for the real world.

Fair enough, but the area you quoted me on referred more towards 100% spec racing or something like the Red Bull Riders Cup than the actual single tire change in MotoGP.
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Old 09-24-2008, 04:07 PM   #13
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ah, gotcha, but spec racing will NEVER happen in motoGP. it's a manufacturer's series. the only way you can have spec racing is with single manufacturers. NEVER going to happen.
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Agreed, just my smartass comment towards the whole matter of having a spec tire.

Motor size, spec tire, no matter what they change to try and limit factors they will just cause a push of the envelope in another direction. Similar to their corner speed issues with the 800cc bikes over the 990. Simple cause and effect. Just starting to make me think of nascar or something where the regulations appear to restrict such a great deal of new development.

lol, go back to 990cc and add restrictor plates to solve the speed issues on the straights and corners....
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Old 09-24-2008, 04:33 PM   #15
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screw that, bring back the to the wall, hold the **** on 500cc 2 strokes! lol
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I think having the same foundation to build upon will show us which manufacturers have the real skills.
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, only that these days run wacha bring is many times associated with how much $$$ you 'bring too'. I am sure this will be a controversial decision for a while, but I am also confident all those saying this tire or that tire is no good, will no longer have any excuse. Level field on tires - I am up for a season of that to see how it is....who knows - maybe we will see Colin Edwards podium from now on....


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Oh, I know, I just would still like to see things the way they used to be. Run whatcha brung, winner take all.
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time to buy stock in bridgestone? lol
50/50
make a little money on test tires or pay for the race tires.
seems like they use more tires for testing.
we got one of those trivia cards at Indy GP and it stated that each tean uses aprox 850 tires per season.....
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Actually Pedrosa and Edwards have been the biggest whiners this year. Heck Pedrosa b!tched so much he couldn't even finish the season with M. This WILL affect the technology trickeling down to the consumer. Also, now M is out of all major racing series.

NASCAR = Goodyear
WSBK = Pirelli
AMA = Dunlop
MotoGP = Bridgestone
F1 = Bridgestone

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Old 09-24-2008, 08:13 PM   #20
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That sucks, especially in a class where only the greatest can survive. So now everyone will suck at the tracks Bridgestone's don't work, and everyone will fly at the others. Get ready to see Rossi doniminate as long as he wishes to keep riding.
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