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Advanced MSF Course 12 22.22%
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Old 09-09-2008, 02:42 PM   #1
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Adv MSF Course vs. Track Day

What would you say would be more beneficial to a rider, in all aspects of riding? Keep factors of cost/time/experience/bike in mind.
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Old 09-09-2008, 02:46 PM   #2
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Two completely different classes. MSF is going to teach you some street survival skills that won't translate to the track. Track riding will increase your ability, while MSF can increase your awareness. IMO.


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Old 09-09-2008, 02:48 PM   #3
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msf will teach you how to stay safe on the street, track will teach you how to use the abilty of the bike to go fast. you dont want to try and carry over what you learn on the track to the street because the street isnt a place to try and drag knee.
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Old 09-09-2008, 03:00 PM   #4
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msf will teach you how to stay safe on the street, track will teach you how to use the abilty of the bike to go fast. you dont want to try and carry over what you learn on the track to the street because the street isnt a place to try and drag knee.
Wouldn't learning how to ride fast with proper control be a huge plus on the street? Granted if you want to drag knees on 610, that is just plain stupid. But I would think the rush from riding is nothing but the speed from sportbikes. I don't even think i'd ever get a cruiser later in life. Being safe is always a given to me, or to anyone wanting to even ride a motorcycle. If it came down to the benefit, what would you guys say the best course is, as far as bang for your buck, or skills that you can somewhat transcend from street to track, or vice versa?
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Old 09-09-2008, 03:01 PM   #5
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Agreed my answer depends on the rider's goals and intended mode of riding. In my opinion for most sportbike riders I think the answer is trackday-where you can explore your bikes potential and response in a much safer environment.

MSF in my opinion is mostly . Good for the basics if no bike experience. It also can help point out things not entirely obvious to an experienced rider-but there is nothing you can get there that you can't get elsewhere. There is no replacement for tracktime for that aspect of riding.
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Since you are talking about ADVANCED MSF, I say Trackday. Between a trackday and the basic MSF, for the street rider who never did the MSF, I'd chose the MSF for sure.
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trust me after a trackday the street will suck..

i too use to ride the street all the time, and at a good pace.. but after doing a trackday i realized what i was doing on the street, speed wise was a freaking JOKE compared to the speed and thrill of ripping the throttle on the track.

just something about going all the way up to 6th gear with the throttle pinned and coming down into turn one at TWS (Texas World Speedway) that the street just cant match, because if you got caught going those speeds on the street, your going to jail!

plus at the track that section of the track your riding at that moment is yours so you can completly forget about whos coming up behind me, am i going to hit a car around this turn, can i make it another 3-4 miles at this speed without a ticket. you get to take your mirrors off and you own the track pretty much, if their are faster people behind you they will find a way around of course in a safe fashion. you just cant beat that on the street with cars trying to run you over from not paying attention to cops trying to give you tickets and jail time.

the joy of riding the streets for me is dead, minus if me and a few close friends go on a relaxing ride somewhere i get a kick out of hanging with the crew not so much the ride.
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A track day will show you how to ride your bike at your limits (YOUR limits, not the bike) I think this is more valuable even on the street than learning how to go through cones, slow, better.
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Old 09-09-2008, 03:46 PM   #9
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Well said, now I really want to hit the track
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Old 09-09-2008, 03:48 PM   #10
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A trackday teaches high speed maneuvering, we all ride at higher speeds than parking lot speeds majority of the time. TD FTMFW, get in TTD novice class, check the td checklist as a start for a successful day, and grip it n rip it.
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Old 09-09-2008, 03:53 PM   #11
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Track for sure...not only does it teach you high speed moves, but more importantly you will improve your braking ability 10 fold
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Old 09-09-2008, 04:02 PM   #12
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The track is fun, but I like to get out, meet people, get lost and find answered prayers when that gas light has been on for the last 30 some miles.
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Old 09-09-2008, 04:07 PM   #14
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You had to bring your into my thread didn't you. Here I am trying to be serious.

I just see alot of people convert, and hardly ever ride the street after a track day. I know it would get vey addictive, and I could see dropping a couple hundred each time for that rush would be worth it. But when it comes to MSF, does it even compare? My trip out to the twisted sisters in Hill Country made me feel like I was missing out big-time I actually felt free for a while.
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LOL you mean 3 sisters. Twisted sister is an 80's glam band.

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LOL you mean 3 sisters. Twisted sister is an 80's glam band.
yeah I hear people calling them both. Whatever they're called, it seems like twisties at high speeds would be something to die for. Hence, this thread.
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You had to bring your into my thread didn't you. Here I am trying to be serious.

I just see alot of people convert, and hardly ever ride the street after a track day. I know it would get vey addictive, and I could see dropping a couple hundred each time for that rush would be worth it. But when it comes to MSF, does it even compare? My trip out to the twisted sisters in Hill Country made me feel like I was missing out big-time I actually felt free for a while.
man you need to just find somethin to drop a few hundred on huh, lol
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it seems like twisties at high speeds would be something to die for. Hence, this thread.

They are. I just prefer mine with a crash truck, an ambulance waiting, and no oncoming traffic
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Track day for sure....after riding the streets for several years doing one track day changed my opinion completely. My bike is now strictly track. I highly suggest it. PLus you'll meet just as many people at the track as you would a m&g.
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As a track day instructor, and former MSF instructor, you will get much more out of the track day than you will the advanced MSF course.

At the track you will learn how to handle things thrown at you at high speeds, such as how to safely handle a blind, decreasing radius corner that sneaks up on you on the road, you will learn how to brake properly from big speed, and use more of your brakes than you thought your tires or ability could handle. You'll learn how to commit to a corner, and use proper throttle control to adjust lines, and speed. You'll have a safe place to learn to trail brake, and how to use it effectively.

The track is not just about going fast, but about combining all aspects of motorcycling riding, without oncoming traffic, or any other hazards you will encounter on public roads.

Very little of what you learn on the street will carry over to the track, but everything you learn on the track you can take back to the streets.
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