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Old 09-07-2008, 08:48 PM   #21
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No Clayton, you need gearing and suspention help........... Come on out Saturday and we'll get you in the low :40's

oh, and marrige will cost you at least 4 seconds so get ready for that. Add another 3 for a mortgage, 5 for a child, and 1.5 if you own your own business. It's harder to go fast when you are old and responsible.
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No Clayton, you need gearing and suspention help........... Come on out Saturday and we'll get you in the low :40's

oh, and marrige will cost you at least 4 seconds so get ready for that. Add another 3 for a mortgage, 5 for a child, and 1.5 if you own your own business. It's harder to go fast when you are old and responsible.
hehe.

i miss you Buck!!!

larry helped me with my suspension some today. got me running consistent 1:48s. unfortunately the only reason i was able to go today is because i earned some gift certs and got to ride for free. gas and all.

marriage is costing more than i thought. but i'll be back full force next year. hopefully with a better bike.


i'll see if i cant cut some grass to get some $ or something this week and come see you on saturday. even if i cant ride i'll try to come out and watch and learn.
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Rumor has it, and I did say RUMOR, that Bens crew changed his crank after the Sat. VIR race.

Wouldn't suprise me. If BOTH of my teammates got popped for illegal cranks, I'd tear my bike down if just to be sure that my motor was on the up and up.
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I think that anything like that would have been just a bit to visible given the atmosphere of post race tech inspections.
Not really. Just pull the motor and take it into the transporter. The motors get pulled ALL THE TIME!

Motors, forks, swingarms and shocks get swapped numerous times during a race weekend. It would be truly easy to make the exchange behind closed doors.

I hope that it did not happen. If so, my opinion of Speis' riding ability would be knocked down a peg or two....
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No Clayton, you need gearing and suspention help........... Come on out Saturday and we'll get you in the low :40's

oh, and marrige will cost you at least 4 seconds so get ready for that. Add another 3 for a mortgage, 5 for a child, and 1.5 if you own your own business. It's harder to go fast when you are old and responsible.
Wow no wonder I am not as fast as I should be. I got all that baggage.

As far as the mlladin thing I have no reason to watch the race now. The only racing was between him and ben so now it is going to be really boring. I agree, he shouldn't have cheated though.
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Not really. Just pull the motor and take it into the transporter. The motors get pulled ALL THE TIME!

Motors, forks, swingarms and shocks get swapped numerous times during a race weekend. It would be truly easy to make the exchange behind closed doors.

I hope that it did not happen. If so, my opinion of Speis' riding ability would be knocked down a peg or two....
How did Spies pass? Again, his crankshaft was not examined at VIR. And following Mladin's disqualification it is said that Spies' crewchief, veteran wrench and tactician Tom Houseworth, had the crankshaft from a GSX-R1000 streetbike motor pulled from its bearings and installed in Spies' Atlanta motor, insuring that it would be legal.

http://superbikeplanet.com/2008/Aug/080830b17.htm

So we will really not know if Ben was cheating as well.....
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I hope that it did not happen. If so, my opinion of Speis' riding ability would be knocked down a peg or two....
Why? its entirely possible he would have won anyway
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Why? its entirely possible he would have won anyway
For the same reason the clouds of doubt hang over Barry Bonds. Even though, he possibly would have broken the record anyway.
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AMA defends its decision to DQ Mladin.

AMA Pro Racing Statement Regarding Mat Mladin Disqualification and Appeal Process

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AMA Pro Racing has issued the following statement from Roy Janson, AMA Pro Racing vice president of competition, regarding the disqualification of Mat Mladin, riding the No. 6 Suzuki, from the Superbike races at Virginia International Raceway on August 16-17, 2008, and the denial of the subsequent appeal of that disqualification:

The technical rules for AMA Superbike events were developed to create a competition environment that utilizes modified production machines that are available to all competitors with replacement parts that are available through a national distribution network of franchised dealers. While the AMA Superbike rules allow for some aftermarket items to be used in Superbike competition, such as front and rear suspension units, some parts are explicitly required to be used in their stock/production form to help to control the costs of competing in this class and to ensure that key competition components are available equally to all competitors.

The AMA Pro Racing vehicle homologation procedure requires that each motorcycle manufacturer or distributor submit samples of controlled parts as a means to establish the legality of each part and to provide control samples of these regulated parts, which are available at each event for comparison purposes during the post event technical inspection process to determine if the specified stock/production parts are used as required.

The AMA Superbike rules specifically require that crankshafts be stock/production items and the decision as to the legality of such specific parts is based upon a comparison to the controlled stock/production parts that are supplied by each manufacturer or distributor.

From the onset of this matter regarding the crankshaft of the #6 Suzuki at post-event technical inspection following the event at Virginia International Raceway, it was clear, simply from a visual inspection by the AMA Pro Racing Technical staff, that the part in question differed significantly from the control sample provided by the motorcycle distributor.

To ensure that the examination process of the crankshaft was thoroughly conducted, the #6 crankshaft and the control sample were returned to the AMA Pro Racing headquarters so that additional examination could be conducted to confirm that the part was not a stock crankshaft. To support this process, AMA Pro Racing also obtained two additional, new crankshafts from the distributor's parts distribution system, to use as additional comparison units, along with the control sample that was supplied by the same distributor, as required during the homologation process for the 2008 Suzuki GSX-R1000.

While the three stock/production crankshaft samples provided by the motorcycle distributor were all consistent in their appearance, mechanical dimensions and surface finish, the #6 crankshaft differed significantly from these stock/production items in each of these areas. This was also the case when the part from the #6 Suzuki was compared to several other 2008 Suzuki machines, campaigned by other teams and riders that were subsequently inspected by AMA Pro Racing since the VIR event.

In addition, the material content of the control crankshaft and the crankshaft from the #6 machine were subjected to independent testing, which identified further inconsistency between the #6 crankshaft and the stock/production control part submitted by the distributor.

Throughout this examination process, the team representatives for the #6 Suzuki were informed that it was the responsibility of the team to demonstrate conclusively that the part in question was a stock/production part, available to all participants through normal retail outlets throughout the United States. While the entrants of the #6 Suzuki and the motorcycle distributor supplied several responses during this inquiry, none of this material supported the suggestion that the crankshaft from the #6 Suzuki was a stock/production part.

AMA Pro Racing has provided this team ample opportunity to answer the simple question regarding this particular part, which is whether or not the #6 crankshaft is a stock/production part, similar to the sample parts provided by that same company, and whether or not this part was currently available to other riders or teams through their national dealer network. Nothing was provided by this company to support the position that the #6 crankshaft was a stock/production part, nor was any information provided that demonstrated that this part was available to any other teams.

The AMA 2008 rulebook allows for the updating of parts by manufacturers in section 2.2 "Superseded Parts", which allows manufacturers and distributors to update "parts controlled by these rules", when through normal manufacturing changes a new part is developed to replace a currently approved part. The team does not claim in any of its supporting documents that the crankshaft is an updated or superseded part.

While both the U.S. distributor of the Suzuki GSX-R1000 and the team owners of the machine have publicly criticized and questioned the action to penalize the rider of the #6 Suzuki for using an illegal crankshaft at the VIR AMA Superbike National, AMA Pro Racing is fully satisfied that the examination of this part and the subsequent disciplinary action to disqualify the rider of this machine was done in a fair, thorough manner and in accordance with the AMA Superbike rulebook.

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Hate to see Spies win this way, as I'm sure he would rather win the "right" way, too.
Dont' worry, he would have won anyway...
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I don't know why but I don't like Spies that much. He is fast but seems very ARROGANT!!
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I don't know why but I don't like Spies that much. He is fast but seems very ARROGANT!!
Are you serious? You're the first person I've ever heard say that. I've heard TONS of people say that about Mladin though.
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I don't know why but I don't like Spies that much. He is fast but seems very ARROGANT!!
I like him fine, but, those fuggin sunglasses are waaaaaaay too ghey!
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Are you serious? You're the first person I've ever heard say that. I've heard TONS of people say that about Mladin though.
Maybe so. I guess he just rubs me wrong. And his sunglasses are very very gay.
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Mladin is a douche, and will always be one. Ben's pretty cool. I've only met him a couple of times, but he was always polite and accomodating.

Spies is by far the better rider IMHO.

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Mladin is a douche, and will always be one.
Too true, but they all pale in comparison to Duhamel! That little, bitter, old man has truly lost what little grasp on reality he held.
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that's so true. It's like my old grandpa out there riding. Of course he's still faster then any guys around here if he doesn't crash that is. Can't hardly blame him though. He's still getting paid to do what he loves.
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