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Old 08-29-2008, 03:33 PM   #1
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Need quick answer on DC3 vs 2CT please?

I'm going to be at TWS (Texas World Speedway) on Monday, and ordered a new set of Pirelli Diablo Corsa 3 tires. The shop just called me and said there was a mess-up with the order and the tires won't be in on time, so offered me a set of Michelin Pilot Power 2 CT for a special price.

Should I go for it?

I originally decided on the DC3s because they seemed to get more praise that the 2CTs, but for a reduced price are the 2CTs "good enough" for a lvl 3 rider?
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Old 08-29-2008, 03:55 PM   #2
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yes, do it

how "special" of a price?
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Old 08-29-2008, 03:59 PM   #3
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Uhh, $350 incl mount and balance...
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to me thats not very special... the 2ct's i have now (which i think work great at the track) i think i paid about the same full price.. no deals or nothin
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Still seems pricy but i dont know how much michelins go for. IMO take offs would work just fine. I ride TD's with takeoffs as much as i can.
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Still seems pricy but i dont know how much michelins go for. IMO take offs would work just fine. I ride TD's with takeoffs as much as i can.
what does a set of 3's go for?
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How much does Greg Fowler charge for Michelin's? (He's the guy at Ride Smart events, right?)

Motorcycle Superstore has the 2CTs for $133 front and $157 rear -at those prices the mount/balance at this shop would be $60 total. Is that reasonable? Not deal of the century, but at least not a ripoff? Especially considering I need tires for an event three days from now.
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they'll do the job, i wouldn't worry about it at all.
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Yeah, mostly I was wondering - should I hold out for the Pirelli's and do this one event on the remnants of my current tires? Or are the Michelin's good enough (or even better) to go ahead and get them?
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I'd go with take off's from Fowler for 1/2 the price. 2CT's aren't that great once the pace heats up. They tend to get greasy quickly
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Depends on your pace and experience. You should be fine if you're a regular track day doood and not racing. If you're out-riding those tires, it's not going to matter which street compound tire you do ride!

2CT is a fine tire, but I'd check with Motorcycles Unlimited to see what he has over there first.

OR, you could get some tasty track rubber from John at SCRC
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Old 08-29-2008, 05:42 PM   #12
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Depends on your pace and experience. You should be fine if you're a regular track day doood and not racing. If you're out-riding those tires, it's not going to matter which street compound tire you do ride!

2CT is a fine tire, but I'd check with Motorcycles Unlimited to see what he has over there first.

OR, you could get some tasty track rubber from John at SCRC
I'd say I'm, hmm, a solid intermediate regular track day dude. Not expert enough to avoid making mistakes, so I'll probably inadvertently out-ride the tires from time to time. I'd get a set of Supercorsas or Pilot Races, not to run faster laps, but just to give me a safety cushion, if I didn't ride the bike on the street enough that I know I wouldn't get my money out of such tires.

Even at an intermediate type pace, is mid-90s at TWS (Texas World Speedway) enough to get the 2CT's greasy enough to be something to worry about?

ps - I'm in Dallas, so can't check out Motorcycles Unlimited. And SCRC? Southern Cruisers Riders Club?
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I'd say I'm, hmm, a solid intermediate regular track day dude. Not expert enough to avoid making mistakes, so I'll probably inadvertently out-ride the tires from time to time. I'd get a set of Supercorsas or Pilot Races, not to run faster laps, but just to give me a safety cushion, if I didn't ride the bike on the street enough that I know I wouldn't get my money out of such tires.

Even at an intermediate type pace, is mid-90s at TWS (Texas World Speedway) enough to get the 2CT's greasy enough to be something to worry about?

ps - I'm in Dallas, so can't check out Motorcycles Unlimited. And SCRC? Southern Cruisers Riders Club?
SCRC= South Central Race Center, John Hutchinson, Bridgestone supplier. He'll ship your tires, or you can pick them up on the way to the track and have them mounted by whomever is providing that service that day.

I'm not sure what a "mid 90" pace is at TWS (Texas World Speedway), if you're running 1:55 lap time or dang close, you need track rubber. If you're north of 2:00, there's really no reason you can't run street rubber there. I've run mid-50's on street compounds with no issues before.

I don't know about the 2CTs "getting greasy", never heard that until today, but then again, I've never run them.

Contact John at SCRC and pick up some tasty 003 Bridgestone tires on the way in from Dallas- if you meet him at his shop in Tomball, he'll even mount them for free if you have the wheels off. You won't regret it. Contact info is www.scracecenter.com

You could also contact Patrick at Motorcycles Unlimited if you want a street compound tire, stop by his shop on the way to the track, have your new tires mounted, and hit the track ready to roll. Their contact information can be found on their web site at www.motorcycles-unlimited.com, and they carry several different brands of tire.
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Old 08-29-2008, 07:04 PM   #14
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Sorry, the "mid-90s" is talking about the temperature I expect we'll have there on Monday. I've never timed myself there so don't know what my times are, but my best on the MSR-C short course is 1:33.5 if that helps any.
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I would get the take-off's from Greg, and wait on them to ship the tires you want. If thats an option money wise. You ride heads up enough to use the rubber you have, if you had to. Just go there in that mind set, I'm here, I paid, and i'm going be cool. I think the 2ct jumps around a lot. I'm on Power Race for now. Have fun dude..
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Sorry, the "mid-90s" is talking about the temperature I expect we'll have there on Monday. I've never timed myself there so don't know what my times are, but my best on the MSR-C short course is 1:33.5 if that helps any.
That's a decent pace. I'd look hard at dedicated track rubber, and right now, I really like the 003 Bridgestones. Give 'em a try and see what you think. You might have to do some suspension tuning to get it dialed in, but I believe Onroad/ Offroad will be there to do some suspension work.

I'm not 100% sold on your deal at the local shop- I think they're trying to compromise with you to help out the situation, but it doesn't seem like an apples/ apples trade off.

Contact John if you're interested in trying the 'Stones, I think you'll be happy with them. You'll have to talk to John, but I'm pretty sure that the $350 you're paying will come close to the price of the 003 track compound!
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Old 08-29-2008, 10:38 PM   #17
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I'd love to go with a full-on DOT race tire like the 003, but without a second set of wheels since I still ride on the street (plus I don't have tire warmers) I'm not sure they're the tire for me.
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Old 08-29-2008, 11:22 PM   #18
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Actually the BT002 Ride Smart would be a better fit $249/set + tax. Until you get an extra set of rims and warmers. The BT002 Ride Smart's are more track focused but can be used without warmers and can be used on the street as well.

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+1 on the BT02 Ride Smart great tire for the price.

+1 on the 2ct's getting greasy. Happened to me at MSRH
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I have ridden on the 2cts and 002 Ride Smart at the track and didn't have a problem with either one of them!!
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