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Old 08-28-2008, 01:36 PM   #61
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545.421. FLEEING OR ATTEMPTING TO ELUDE POLICE
OFFICER; OFFENSE. (a) A person commits an offense if the person
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or siren. The officer giving the signal must be in uniform and
prominently display the officer's badge of office. The officer's
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Old 08-28-2008, 01:38 PM   #62
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so instead if said dude was a cop he shoulda stopped him and gone thru all the police procedures and written him a ticket, when he was obviously breaking the law, but instead he threw out a comment and went on his way. law breaker went on his way, cop got home w/o having to stop and taken eithers time.

and i guess if he woulda done the whole police stop, cop woulda been wrong for stopping a motorcyclist in dire need, cuz he was getting wet.
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so instead if said dude was a cop he shoulda stopped him and gone thru all the police procedures and written him a ticket, when he was obviously breaking the law, but instead he threw out a comment and went on his way. law breaker went on his way, cop got home w/o having to stop and taken eithers time.

and i guess if he woulda done the whole police stop, cop woulda been wrong for stopping a motorcyclist in dire need, cuz he was getting wet.
I'm not going discuss hypotheticals. If officer doesn't want to 'take up his time' then don't. Otherwise write a ticket. But don't talk to some guy on the bike in the rain just because you 'can'.
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me, i'd rather be called an punk and let go then pulled over and all that mess, but keep on keepin.

not alot of hypotheticals, dude was breakin law, he coulda got a ticket. not alot to the story. he got off light..........

you know that ol sticks and stones rhyme.
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me, i'd rather be called an punk and let go then pulled over and all that mess, but keep on keepin.

Word.

If calling you a punk was the worse thing that happened, count it lucky considering that technically you were breaking a law.

But I can appreciate a good rant.
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me, i'd rather be called an punk and let go then pulled over and all that mess, but keep on keepin.

not alot of hypotheticals, dude was breakin law, he coulda got a ticket. not alot to the story. he got off light..........

you know that ol sticks and stones rhyme.
Well I like to fight, so write me a ticket and we'll go to court. I've got the time and resources.
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and you'll goto court waste a few hrs, and cop won't even show.

you WIN! yeah.

whats your defense for lane splitting in the HOV ?
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there are so many "ifs" it makes it impossible to make a good decision on this. so we're argueing hypotheticals. if I knew he was out of his area or off duty in a pov I'd have gave him the finger and broke out.
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and you'll goto court waste a few hrs, and cop won't even show.

you WIN! yeah.

whats your defense for lane splitting in the HOV ?
Well If I broke the law then I go to traffic court. So what. That's how it works and that's acceptable. What's not acceptable is someone abusing the badge. So the conversation has come full circle.
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Well If I broke the law then I go to traffic court. So what. That's how it works and that's acceptable. What's not acceptable is someone abusing the badge. So the conversation has come full circle.
so he shoulda stopped "you" and taken all your time for nothing, more power to you bro. you got more time then sense.

btw, do you do the 1...........2............3 w/ your kids? is that any diff.?
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so he shoulda stopped "you" and taken all your time for nothing, more power to you bro. you got more time then sense.

btw, do you do the 1...........2............3 w/ your kids? is that any diff.?
No, he should've stopped me because I was breaking the law. That wouldn't be for 'nothing'. That's his job.

You argue against the rider because he didn't follow the 'rules'. Yet you think it's okay for a cop to make his own 'rules' and administer his own punishment as long as the consequences don't "take up too much of your time". Demonstrate how much sense you have and explain the logic in that.
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Texas Transp. Code

545.421. FLEEING OR ATTEMPTING TO ELUDE POLICE
OFFICER; OFFENSE. (a) A person commits an offense if the person
operates a motor vehicle and wilfully fails or refuses to bring the
vehicle to a stop or flees, or attempts to elude, a pursuing police
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or siren. The officer giving the signal must be in uniform and
prominently display the officer's badge of office. The officer's
vehicle must be appropriately marked as an official police vehicle
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so running from an unmarked cop car is not felony evasion? if so, how is it marked appropriately as an official police vehicle? just curious.
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No, he should've stopped me because I was breaking the law. That wouldn't be for 'nothing'. That's his job.

You argue against the rider because he didn't follow the 'rules'. Yet you think it's okay for a cop to make his own 'rules' and administer his own punishment as long as the consequences don't "take up too much of your time". Demonstrate how much sense you have and explain the logic in that.
punishment would been a ticket or stopped. telling him avoided punishment. and in the end it woulda taken up more of riders time, going to court house, paying for parking and all that BS. vs cop doing a traffic stop. and not showing for court.

can't believe your argueing that being stopped is better then gettin yelled at.

guess cops should shoot, then yell "stop or i'll shoot"


maybe he should pull over EVER car thats speeding.
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so running from an unmarked cop car is not felony evasion? if so, how is it marked appropriately as an official police vehicle? just curious.
i would bet it has to have "exempt" tags
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punishment would been a ticket or stopped. telling him avoided punishment. and in the end it woulda taken up more of riders time, going to court house, paying for parking and all that BS. vs cop doing a traffic stop. and not showing for court.

can't believe your argueing that being stopped is better then gettin yelled at.

guess cops should shoot, then yell "stop or i'll shoot"


maybe he should pull over EVER car thats speeding.
he can't... it was not an official car so he can't pull over anyone that doesn't want to stop
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Well If I broke the law then I go to traffic court. So what. That's how it works and that's acceptable. What's not acceptable is someone abusing the badge. So the conversation has come full circle.

I fail to see how he was 'abusing' his badge. You were breaking the law, he warned you, and you both went on your way.

So if a police officer is off duty and he sees a crime being commited.....he should simply turn the other cheek because he isnt on the clock??




Never understood why people want to argue when they know they were in the wrong. We always try and teach our kids to own up to their mistakes, yet we find ourselves immune to such values.
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punishment would been a ticket or stopped. telling him avoided punishment. and in the end it woulda taken up more of riders time, going to court house, paying for parking and all that BS. vs cop doing a traffic stop. and not showing for court.

can't believe your argueing that being stopped is better then gettin yelled at.

guess cops should shoot, then yell "stop or i'll shoot"

maybe he should pull over EVER car thats speeding.
You still haven't explained yourself. How do you expect the rider to follow traffic laws but do not expect the officer to follow HPD policy (both are 'rules', no)? There's an imbalance there. Explain your position, Mr. Sensible. Stop trying to change the subject.
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I fail to see how he was 'abusing' his badge. You were breaking the law, he warned you, and you both went on your way.

So if a police officer is off duty and he sees a crime being commited.....he should simply turn the other cheek because he isnt on the clock??

Never understood why people want to argue when they know they were in the wrong. We always try and teach our kids to own up to their mistakes, yet we find ourselves immune to such values.

"You don't pass anyone in the HOV lane, do you understand me, punk!?"

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You still haven't explained yourself. How do you expect the rider to follow traffic laws but do not expect the officer to follow HPD policy (both are 'rules', no)? There's an imbalance there. Explain your position, Mr. Sensible. Stop trying to change the subject.
so what is police policy specifically in this scenerio?
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