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Old 08-26-2008, 01:51 PM   #1
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Question about doing a track day.

Hello and pardon my ignorance.

What's the deal with the track day...??? Why everybody advise about doing a track day...?? If I'm not into racing, how that will benefit my street riding..??

Also is the trackday some kinda of race...??? when you guys get together at the track are you racing against each other?? or everybody must keep a single line?? Due to the speed involved, looks more dangeorus a track day than street riding. I do not think that I will ever need to drag a knee on the street.

Please, enlighten me....
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Old 08-26-2008, 01:58 PM   #2
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You will learn things on the track as far as how to take corners, body positioning, braking techniques that COULD come in handy on the street and builds your confidence in your riding ability which also will help because you are less likely to panic if there is something in your way either on the street or a car that has cut you off.


As far as on the track there are guidelines to help protect everyone out there, unless you are riding advanced which is the 90% racers. It depends with which track day org you ride with. I know Texastrackdays so I will tell you theres. Someone else can chim in on thed other orgs I dont want to say the wrong thing..

Novice there is NO passing in the morning because you are working on learning skills. Afternoon is passing on the outside only and not in turns.

Intermediate has a 6 ft passing rule and you must pass with caution.

Advanced boys bump and grind elbows sometimes it seems, but they are overall very skilled riders.

Hope this helps.

I am not sure if they all offer parade laps but I know TTDs does, you should come out around lunch time and have a look for yourself and do a parade lap, and if you would like you can sit in on a class to see what they consist of.
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Old 08-26-2008, 02:05 PM   #3
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A track day is not a race. There are racers there, but they are there for practice and track time and are generally limited to the Advanced group.

The main point of a track day is to learn how to become a better rider whether you are a racer or a street rider. This is why track days divide track time into groups so you don't have a large difference in speed or skill.

Our novice group is set up to be a school for the first time track riders. This allows you to practice to become a better rider without the distractions or hazards of riding on the street. There are no cars, dogs, gravel...... only other riders learning as you are.
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i have been to a couple of forest rides.>> i take it slow and just practice my line and body positions.. Last time i went i was in a turn and hit a rock MAn i almost ate it... Dude riding the track you do not have to worry about any of that chit ... Its just you,The bike and the corner ahead
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zapata, how long have you been riding and is the speed triple your first moto? just curious. i hung out with navigator and cali and a few others last sunday in the forest. cali's explanation to me of form and function made a lot of sense. navigator who also has a daytona 675 as a track bike was riding behind me the whole time. at yankees he explained a lot about my daytona and its abilities. and started kinda coachin me on the ride back. i was playin around with takin an cheek off the seat and cornering. it was weird and still is because there isnt a corner everywhere you go on the street that you can practice over and over again. the track is repetitive and so a good place to hone skills. i have become very interested and will be taking forward motion to prepare myself (money) for some proper instruction at track days. i dont know if there are seasons or if its year round but i realize now its a good place to practice. no road kill, oncoming traffic etc...
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zapata, how long have you been riding and is the speed triple your first moto? just curious. i hung out with navigator and cali and a few others last sunday in the forest. cali's explanation to me of form and function made a lot of sense. navigator who also has a daytona 675 as a track bike was riding behind me the whole time. at yankees he explained a lot about my daytona and its abilities. and started kinda coachin me on the ride back. i was playin around with takin an cheek off the seat and cornering. it was weird and still is because there isnt a corner everywhere you go on the street that you can practice over and over again. the track is repetitive and so a good place to hone skills. i have become very interested and will be taking forward motion to prepare myself (money) for some proper instruction at track days. i dont know if there are seasons or if its year round but i realize now its a good place to practice. no road kill, oncoming traffic etc...
Texastrackdays last track day for the year is November 26 if I am not mistaken. Good thing about texas is we dont have to take the winter off because of snow,sleet or any of the above typically. It just doesnt get cold enough here, so riding all year ! ! woo hoo
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Old 08-26-2008, 02:22 PM   #7
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You will learn things on the track as far as how to take corners, body positioning, braking techniques that COULD come in handy on the street and builds your confidence in your riding ability which also will help because you are less likely to panic if there is something in your way either on the street or a car that has cut you off.

Dang...I thought the stuff that I learn at the MSF was enough..I ride almost everyday on the street and do not have trouble taking corners, unless is the street corner turns at 90 degrees in the subdivision. I can not take those turns fast Also I never go above the posted limits and the only time I go above the speed limits is on the freeway and only if I do not see Cops around...(hate to deal with those guys) and when I say "above" the speed limit is up to the "ton" (100MPH) no more.
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Good thing about texas is we dont have to take the winter off because of snow,sleet or any of the above typically. It just doesnt get cold enough here, so riding all year ! ! woo hoo
I believe you were at such an event that had rain and 40 degree temps...we ddo have to take off 2 months
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The purpose of track riding is to explore your limits, and the bikes, in a controlled environment, with predictable traction. You will be taught how to be smooth, as that's the only way you can become fast. There is not oncoming traffic, animals, soccer moms, or any other hazard associated with street riding.

As Brena stated, you'll learn proper body position, throttle control, braking techniques, and visual skills.

You are not there to drag your knees, although it will happen as your skill improves. Hopefully you wont be doing that on the street, as your speeds should not be that high there. Very few of the skills you have learned on the street will transfer to the track, but everything you learn on the track will transfer to the street, making you a safer and better rider.

All of these skills, we teach in our novice school, as do most of the other organizations.

I would like to extend an invitation to you to come and sit i n on any of my classroom sessions and you'll see what it's all about.
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Hello and pardon my ignorance.

What's the deal with the track day...??? Why everybody advise about doing a track day...?? If I'm not into racing, how that will benefit my street riding..??
trackdays provide a safe alternative to the street as far as speeds go, lets face it, we didn't get the bikes we bought to go 40 mph on everywhere. there aren't any cars, police, trees, culverts, mailboxes, POLICE again, etc. to worry about while riding.

Also is the trackday some kinda of race...??? not a race at all, it is a means to hone in your skills and to help build additional skills.

when you guys get together at the track are you racing against each other??in some cases, friends do partake in a couple of competitive laps every now and again.

or everybody must keep a single line?? during LSTD's "round robin" we, the instructors do a lead session where all participants of the trackday for level C group or, the novice group follow the leader (instructor) around the track to be shown some lines (in single file), to get you familiar with the track layout, and to familiarize yourself with all of the bumps and bruises that the pavement has, after that, you are aloud to ride your own ride at your own pace on any line you chose BUT, the instructors are there to help show you the proper lines on the race track.

Due to the speed involved, looks more dangeorus a track day than street riding. I do not think that I will ever need to drag a knee on the street. not everyone attends to learn how to drag a knee, that is just a bi-product or result if you will.

Please, enlighten me....
there are many reasons for one to participate in a track day. some feel it a little more safer and comfy to be on a closed circuit in a controlled and safe environment. Some feel the need or want to become a club racer, this will help prepare you for that.
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The MSF course fail to touch on some techniques you should learn. For example trail braking. The MSF warns you about braking in a corner and basically tells you never to do it. I can agree that it isn't someone needs to concern themselves with when initally learning how to ride, it still should be learned. While I do not feel that you should constantly trail braking on the street, there are times it could really save you from an accident. If you don't know how, or have never tried it, it wouldn't be any help in such an event.
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zapata, how long have you been riding and is the speed triple your first moto? just curious....

I have been riding since early 2001 and the Speed Triple is my second bike, the first one was a Kawasaki ZR-7. I learn to ride at the MSF in the Community College on the East side. I do not have any trouble riding the streets and feel very confortable around traffic. I can almost guess when a "cager" is going to cut me off.
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Hello and pardon my ignorance.
Nothing to pardon, it's not like there is a handbook out there to all facets of riding. You've asked some good questions.
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What's the deal with the track day...???
A track day is an organization that rents a track for the day to allow others to ride for a fee. Some of the most fun and interesting tracks in the world can be found here, and it is a great way to learn new skills that have multiple applications for street and racing.


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Most people advise others to "do a track day" because so many folks drive like their hair is on fire on the streets. The track is an extremely controled (by comparison) environment that allows you to learn the potential and possibly limits of yourself and your motorcycle.

It is inherently more dangerous to ride to or learn your limits on the street, therefore, the track is the best place to have these activities. Not to mention, it's not good for your pocketbook as no doubt you'll accrue quite a few tickets on the street by riding like that!

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If I'm not into racing, how that will benefit my street riding..??
Skills man, skills. As long as you participate with instruction for your first few track days, your skills will increase dramatically! This translates to the street, and will no doubt become of use to you to foresee and avoid obstacles or emergency situations while riding on the street.

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Also is the trackday some kinda of race...???
No, not at all. Each provider has their own format, but riders are broken in to different groups that are based on a rider's ability and skill level. The beginners or "noobs" as you'll see them referred to, are grouped with similarly skilled riders. A rider's pace and skill is the basis for their placement in a group, and often times riders will be moved from group-group in order to adjust for those riding faster/ slower than the rest of the people in the group.

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when you guys get together at the track are you racing against each other??
Not really. Sometimes, friends will get together and have some friendly competition with each other on the track at track days, but this is not the main reason for folks to go. Again, different groups are at different paces, the slower paced groups will not be the same as the faster paced groups.

Often it's the case that those that are "fast" at a track day, are not "fast" in a race with the CMRA or similar organization that holds racing events. Just like folks that are "fast" on the street are usually not as fast as they think they are at a track day.

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or everybody must keep a single line??
No, but there are certain formats that do have this for the first (or first few) sessions. It is a lead/ follow session(s) that show new riders the layout of the track at a comfortable pace (usually not exceeding highway speeds).

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Due to the speed involved, looks more dangeorus a track day than street riding. I do not think that I will ever need to drag a knee on the street.
Dragging a knee does not = speed. Dragging a knee is a result of good things that you are doing, such as body position, proper braking, proper throttle, etc. This will all be explained in your first class.

There are lots of reasons that it is more dangerous on the track:

No old people to pull out in front of you.

No uncertain road conditions.

No cops.

No animals.

No cops.

You have to wear proper protective gear.

No cops... well, except those doing the track day with you!

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...I would like to extend an invitation to you to come and sit i n on any of my classroom sessions and you'll see what it's all about.
Good idea there... you can see what skills are being taught/learned in the classroom, then you can watch the new guys (and gals) put those skills into practice on the track.

I was amazed how much I learned on just my first trackday. It certainly made me more confident on the street!
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There are lots of reasons that it is more dangerous on the track:

No old people to pull out in front of you.

No uncertain road conditions.

No cops.

No animals.

No cops.

You have to wear proper protective gear.

No cops... well, except those doing the track day with you!


Hi Tom I think you meant: There are lots of reasons that street is more dangerous than the track:
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How about this reason...It's freakin' FUN!!! I rode on the street for years. Since my third trackday, I no longer have a street bike. Made it a track only bike. I love the track...go to every trackday that I can. Haven't had more fun on a bike ever (except that one time with a topless dancer, but that's another story...)
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...No cops... well, except those doing the track day with you!


Yeah, I guess there are a few of us lurking about!

When you're putting your new-found skills to use, you'll be glad there is no uniformed po-po in a car with pretty lights!
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Thanks for all the info people...!!!

Never stop learning...!!!! Can a "cruiser" type bike do the track day...???? I do not have a sportbike.
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