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View Poll Results: to shift or not to shift........
shift and ride it out 4 22.22%
just wind that biaaatch to the red 14 77.78%
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Old 08-12-2008, 09:53 PM   #21
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In that case, I upshift out of the horseshoe (if going ccw), and then upshift again at/ after the apex of tombstone.

Going cw, I downshift in to the horseshoe and upshift after buzzard's neck.

That's just me though, ymmv.
That downshift you definately need to be smooth going cw, especially during a race. You can make some sweet passes under lots of brakes. I guess this is one of those "dont brake until you see " places if you are wanting to gain a place or two. I've experimented with both shifting coming out of Wagon wheel (uphill) and just riding out 3rd and getting on the throttle early going up. I still run the same times (1:25-1:26) so I've stayed with staying in 3rd.
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Old 08-12-2008, 10:05 PM   #22
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That downshift you definately need to be smooth going cw, especially during a race. You can make some sweet passes under lots of brakes. I guess this is one of those "dont brake until you see " places if you are wanting to gain a place or two. I've experimented with both shifting coming out of Wagon wheel (uphill) and just riding out 3rd and getting on the throttle early going up. I still run the same times (1:25-1:26) so I've stayed with staying in 3rd.
Yeah man, smooth is always the key isn't it.

I've always been fastest coming out of the wagon wheel going ccw, it's just been a strong point in the track for me personally.

With the horseshoe through the tombstone being off camber, I've always had some issue with spinning up since it's off camber ccw though. The SV is always more forgiving there, but the GSXR requires more care and handling!
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Old 08-12-2008, 10:13 PM   #23
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Thank you! A voice of reason. Thanks KH!
Come on Linz, bring some reason too, don't just parrot Keith!
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Old 08-12-2008, 11:01 PM   #24
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C'mon, Tom! We might as well be talking about gearing here, which is Keith's favorite subject, right?

We simply do not have enough information to do anything but say anymore than what you have said - "YMMV" and "well, on my bike I do this". Your GSXR and this guy's RC51 are about as similar as Aaron Yates and Dani Pedrosa. You know that and you essentially state it.

I think one thing can be said and that is that it depends. (Doesn't it always?) As a general rule you don't shift mid-corner and you don't rev out big twins. So we're sort of stuck here, aren't we? Unless we talk in very general, uh, generalities, we can't do much from behind a keyboard.

If you're Vale, you can make a shift in the middle of the corner and no will notice. If you're a club racer, you're probably going to lose a little time. Some corners will allow it more than others, and this is one.

The question is absolute but the answer isn't. But hey, back to the gearing thing -- a tooth or two or two less or more might make all the difference. Or maybe seat time. I would recommend the latter over the former for now.
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C'mon, Tom! We might as well be talking about gearing here, which is Keith's favorite subject, right?

We simply do not have enough information to do anything but say anymore than what you have said - "YMMV" and "well, on my bike I do this". Your GSXR and this guy's RC51 are about as similar as Aaron Yates and Dani Pedrosa. You know that and you essentially state it.

I think one thing can be said and that is that it depends. (Doesn't it always?) As a general rule you don't shift mid-corner and you don't rev out big twins. So we're sort of stuck here, aren't we? Unless we talk in very general, uh, generalities, we can't do much from behind a keyboard.

If you're Vale, you can make a shift in the middle of the corner and no will notice. If you're a club racer, you're probably going to lose a little time. Some corners will allow it more than others, and this is one.

The question is absolute but the answer isn't. But hey, back to the gearing thing -- a tooth or two or two less or more might make all the difference. Or maybe seat time. I would recommend the latter over the former for now.
Well, I'm truly disappointed, Keith would have said something like:

"GO TO THE TRACK, FIGURE IT OUT FOR YOURSELF! IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT ANYONE ELSE SAYS! BUY 15 SPROCKETS AND PICK THE ONE THAT FITS YOU BEST!"

Unfortunately, your reply here was too helpful and made too much sense...
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Old 08-13-2008, 08:18 AM   #26
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i agree,i did not give enough info.
most importantly,that i dont ride an RC51 on the track(sold it ).
what i ride is a 2007 GSXR600 with race pads & braided lines,ohlinsl rear and Bridgestone slicks med rear and soft front.im pushing on 240 lbs and have about 19 track days under my belt(app 11 at MSRC ,7 at ECR and 1 at TWS (Texas World Speedway)).
i think this is all thats relevant.
the main objective to the question was really to try and figure out if i should really make the extra effort and try to shift there or just wait for it to be natural to me(as far as speed goes).
really all the comments are helpful(except for NVRMND) even the gearing part.
i was even gonna include what your favorite tire choice was,but i can afford all the popcorn i was gonna have to supply.
last weekend i experienced what two different tire profiles will do/not do on the same bike ,on the same track....yikes
bridgestones from now on.
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Bridgestone slicks med rear and soft front.


i was even gonna include what your favorite tire choice was,but i can afford all the popcorn i was gonna have to supply.
last weekend i experienced what two different tire profiles will do/not do on the same bike ,on the same track....yikes
bridgestones from now on.
If you ever go to DOTs, I just switched to the 003 Bridgestones, and they feel just like our GP250 slicks. Not to mention, they hardly show any wear at all after riding 2 out of 3 groups all day at TWS (Texas World Speedway).
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Old 08-13-2008, 10:22 AM   #28
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i used to use the michelin power races and they worked fine.
but they di get torn pretty good only after one day at cresson's 3.1.
i do run warmers.
i'm now buying BS slick take-offs from Greg and they are holding very well, no sign of wear after two days at cresson's 1.7....
BTW i only run from 1:30 -1:34 there.(i know,not very consistant)
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Old 08-29-2008, 10:41 AM   #30
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Sorry about the "nvrmnd".

I started to type and realised I would be typing all friggin' day to explain this.

L2 and Tom and Gabe did a pretty good job.
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